Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
Originally Posted by starsky
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Put a 140 Berger at 2800fps up against the Roberts and tell me the difference. Or a 147 ELD. Or a 139 Scenar. Or a 143ELD. Or a 136 Scenar......


Since my posts have had to do with "most" hunters - the vast majority of whom use factory ammo - and ranges of 300 yards or under, how about just comparing factory ammo such hunters might actually use?

Using 'Point Blank' again, 50F, 7500', 300 yards, 10mph drift:


6.5 Creedmoor
3.32", Hornady 147g ELD, .697 B.C. @ 2695fps, 24" barrel
3.76", Hornady 143g ELD, .623 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel
4.49", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel
5.20", Hornady 129g IL, .445 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel
5.20", Federal 130g Berger. .560 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel?
6.00", Federal 120g Trophy Copper. .497 B.C. @ 2875fps, 24" barrel?
7.40", Federal 140g Fusion. .439 B.C. @ 2750fps, 24" barrel?

.260 Rem
4.13", Hornady 130g ELD, .584 B.C. @ 2840fps, 24" barrel
4.60", Hornady 129g SST or IB, .485 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel
4.68", Remington 120g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2890fps, 24" barrel?

7mm-08
4.02", Hornady 150g ELD, .574 B.C. @ 2770fps, 24" barrel
4.48", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 2950fps, 24" barrel
4.66", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 2860fps, 24" barrel?

.270 Win
4.03", Hornady 145g ELD, .536 B.C. @ 2970fps, 24" barrel
4.25", Hornady 130g SST, .460 B.C. @ 3200fps, 24" barrel
4.67", Remington 130g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 3060fps, 24" barrel?

.280 Remington
3.85", Hornady 150g ELD, B.C. .574 @ 2925fps, 24" barrel
4.21", Hornady 139g SST, B.C. .486 @ 3090fps, 24" barrel
4.41", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel?

7mm RM
3.41", Hornady 162 ELD, .631 B.C. @ 2940fps, 24" barrel
3.79", Remington 150g AccuTip, .530 B.C. @ 3110fps, 24" barrel?
3.82", Hornady 162 SST, .550 B.C. @ 3030fps, 24" barrel
3.85", Hornady 154 IB, .525 B.C. @ 3100fps, 24" barrel
3.93", Hornady 139g SST, .486 B.C. @ 3240fps, 24" barrel
4.04", Remington 140g AccuTip, .486 B.C. @ 3175fps, 24" barrel?

.308 Win
5.22", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3000fps, 24" barrel
5.26", Hornady 155g AMAX, .435 B.C. @ 2850fps, 24" barrel
5.53", Remington 165g AccuTip, .447 B.C. @ 2700fps, 24" barrel?
6.20", Federal 185 Berger. .552 B.C. @ 2600fps, 24" barrel?

30-06
4.78", Hornady 80g IB, .480 B.C. @ 2820fps, 24" barrel
4.91", Hornady 165g IB, .447 B.C. @ 2960fps, 24" barrel
5.00", Hornady 150g IB, .415 B.C. @ 3080fps, 24" barrel
5.01", Remington 150g AccuTip, .480 B.C. @ 2725fps, 24" barrel?

Granted, the Creedmoor comes in best in this list, but many of the differences are very small compared to typical kill zone sizes. And, as the list shows, hunters could easily end up worse off in terms of drift depending on which Creedmoor ammo they choose.

Oh, and the comparison to my .257 Roberts handload you asked for?

.257 Roberts +P handload
4.80", Nosler 110g AB, B.C. .418 B.C. @ 3163fps, 22" barrel

At 300 yards it beats half the 6.5 Creedmoor factory loads in terms of drift. Because I don't like frangible match bullets for hunting, it beats all of the 6.5 Creedmoor loads I would use for that purpose.


Where are the numbers for your 257 bob? What are the numbers for the factory offerings most hunters would use?