Last month I took the couple of shotguns I keep for home defense out for their annual shooting. Still no surprises. With various 00 and #1 the guns will pattern 1/2 or more of their load onto an 8-1/2" x 11" piece of paper well at 15 yd. and usually at 20 yd. Beyond that one should be thinking of wounding, not killing. My guns and my ammo, but YMMV.