Originally Posted by MGunns
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Last month there was a thread in the handguns section called "Summer Carry".

It started out as the typical "what pocket gun do you carry in the hot weather" type thread.

I answered with the following post:

What gun is the minimum you are willing to get into a gunfight against one or possibly two armed bad guys with? Armed as in both have at minimum, handguns. Are you willing to get into that gunfight, which is a fight to the death, (them or you) with a Kahr that holds 7 rounds of .380?

For me, I know what my choices are. Each has to decide. Personally, I don't own any of the micro guns, that hold a very small amount of rounds, as I don't want to fall into the habit of grabbing what is comfortable, rather than what will actually get the job done. My only exception is a J Frame, and it is relegated to BUG role, and on exceedingly rare occasions a primary, but pretty much 99+% of the time I carry a gun I am willing to actually fight with and can turn in a good performance while using.



I posted again showing what I had chosen to carry that day, which was my Glock 22, .40 S&W a reload and a knife.




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One of the more condescending members (Wrapids) stated:


"None of my friends in central Wisconsin feel a need to carry a gun."

Then followed up afterwards by telling one of our other members that since they carried a gun and ammo, with this post:

"Sounds like you should leave a war zone"

I posted a few days later that I was packing the following, showing this picture:


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To which Wrapids replied:


"You oughtta leave a war zone."


Here is the thing.

I RARELY comment about much of the stuff that goes on and try to stay out of it for the most part.

That said. This condescending liberal attitude is exactly why we just ended up with 18 people dead and 13 more wounded. Over 30 people total, plus all their families. Kids, spouses, parents, all the people who cared for them.

NOBODY SHOT BACK.

When the fight started, nobody took the fight to the enemy. Nobody stood their ground and put rounds into the bad guy.

NOBODY.

So Wrapids, maybe you should feel the need to carry a gun, because NOBODY is coming to save you.


It is up to individuals to protect themselves. It is not the job of the government, or the nanny state. You are responsible for your own protection and those you care for who are unable to protect themselves.

You and NOBODY ELSE.

Your typical liberal won't fight his own fight, but he sure will call the police and have someone else do it. He is too scared to do the job himself, but not too scared to put someone else at risk. Pathetic.

Back on point,

You don't get to pick and choose when these things are going to happen or where. They are like a gift from a stranger. You have to unwrap it and deal with it, no matter what it is. Odds are that the situation will not be in your favor as the bad guy(s) will have planned it that way. So deal with it.

That is why you carry a gun you are willing to get into a fight with, and actually be prepared to fight.

Just one person with a gun and some skills could have made a difference and changed the outcome drastically.

Think about Eli Dickens.

The 22 year old young man who stopped what would have been a massacre in a shopping mall. He did so by carrying a gun daily and practicing. When the time came, he did not run, he took the fight to the enemy and stopped a massacre before really got going.

This is The Way.

Well [bleep]. Didn't read all of this but plenty. Sir, I posted the summer carry question about a holster/ pocket carry for a kahr 380 for shorts and flip flops here at the beach.

My God, now I'm the left anti gun pussy that let the Maine killer loose? Hold your horses there big guy. My post is now the nobody shot back, left hatred anthem.

OK take a breath it's just an internet forum. I know I've earned my opinion.

Semper Fi

Master Gunnery Sergeant USMC (Ret).

Master Gunns My Friend,

You began a great conversation. None of this was aimed in any negative fashion towards you. I offered a different thought process.

Then the liberal "Wrapid" with his condescension chose to show his true nature and take his high and mighty approach. I pointed out that I have a different approach to what I carry, based on life experiences, both good and bad.

Over the years I have been tempted to buy a pocket type gun and let myself slide into that mode.

Funny thing. It did not take long for reality to teach me a lesson that such thinking was not a good idea.


I had not been back from the war for a year and thought I was done with all that. I was working for a local agency, doing my own thing and a call came out. Long story short it was a mess. Literally dozens of LE involved. I have no idea how many agencies involved, though it was local state and federal. But I ended up in a shooting with the bad guy who had already killed one innocent person, plus one young officer. Dozens of citizens everywhere, and it was chaos.

I ended up cornering the guy who took a hostage. It was a mess. Finally we saved her. The guy had been shooting at my face from literal spitting distance, while ducking behind the hostage, and not giving a clean shot. Plus the lights had been knocked out. All the advantages were in his favor, and various backwards agency equipment policies prevented me from having effective and proper tools for the job.

Eventually she was rescued, but it should have been over in a couple minutes, not multiple hours. I won't go into more detail out of respect for her as well as the family of the person who was murdered. They deserve that. The trauma that the woman was put through for hours was terrible.

Bottom line is that no matter if it is a huge metropolis or medium size city or small rural town, there are drugged up nut jobs and people who will kill you for pretty much the thrill of it, or for the keys to your car. They don't care at all. Your life means nothing. If they have a mental health issue that is not being treated properly, they may not see you as human at all, and may think you are a literal demon. Untreated paranoid schizophrenia is extremely dangerous for example. There are an incredible amount of people who have mental health issues and keep it in check and it is never an issue. Unfortunately, sometimes the more severe cases slip through the cracks and tragedies occur.

When put into those situations and facing someone or a couple people who have zero issue with killing you, whether it is your job or not, you really don't get a choice. You are simply reacting to their actions. You can either fight or die. The choice is yours. You can choose to run, but often the victims of mass shooting are shot in the back. So again, the choice is yours. Plus the whole " Nike Defense" is utter nonsense. The vast majority of the time predators pick victims who they can overpower. Thinking you can outrun a younger, stronger, faster predator is fantasy thinking. Just watch a few crime videos of thugs hopping over convenience store counters and take note as their shoes don't even touch the counter. Can you do that?

On that note, I hear it all the time "But, But, I am not a cop, its not my job, I can just walk away". That is wishful thinking.

In 2017 in las Vegas, the killer did not let people walk away. He targeted anybody. He killed 60 people and wounded hundreds more.

In 2016 at the Orlando bar shooting the killer did not let people walk away. He targeted anybody. He killed 49 and wounded 50 something more.

I could go on and on.

Just like Lewiston Maine, sometimes you don't get to walk away. You have to face reality and deal with a problem.

So, today, just like yesterday this is what I am carrying. A full size 1911 and a couple spare mags. Using a quality IWB rig I find it comfortable enough and it is a rig that I perform well enough that should I need it, it would serve me well per the original post.


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