No one has considered the 370Sako aka 9.3x66, 250gr bullets @2700+fps and 286's @ 2550 fps. I have been a long time 35whelen hunter/shooter and from field experience the 370sako is a bit more than the whelen, especially in the ranging dept, using 250gr Accubonds. its on an 06 case that is a bit longer '2.6' inches as opposed to 2.5". Its easy shooting and is accurate in a M85. Dies and brass are expensive though, dies 150+ and 200 brass cases 400+ dollars, i am set up for the rest of my days with this caliber, i use a 3006 for everything else, using a 200gr AB in that.