I use a ford van and have looked at a few ford forums mostly pickups forums and not many complaints.

Got interested in the Sprinter van made by mercedes but the sprinter forum is filled or over run with complaints of poor cheap build quality.

But the sprinter is priced twice the price of an econoline.

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