The Browning Safari that I mentioned in the .308/.30-06 post this AM, had a stock 1" short padded. I originally intended to make a custom something out of it (bought it right). I found the stock handy with winter clothes and just set the scope forward enough that it works. I have never banged my nose with the thumb. So, twenty years later, it is still like I bought it and has become my favorite walking rifle. The ladies in my life like it also. jack

"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero