Klik: Right. No way a little 200 lb pig is going to stop any bullet. Maybe a 22 LR , but even a 30 carbine with soft points will shoot right through one. I tried to make the point that the paunch on a Moose or Elk, IF FULL of wet grass and twigs, will stop almost any slug. If a 30/06 with any bullet, is shot into a swimming pool, real one not a plastic one, the water will stop the bullet within a foot. You need the extra weight in even the Ttsx to keep on trucking.

Someone mentioned Jack O'Conner and his observations, but he didn't start hunting Elk, etc till the 50s, and his observations on the 180gr 30 cal bullet was on a perfect side shot. A lot different than a raking shot. By the 50s some decent bullets were coming along, but in the 40s, they were just getting into business. Actually, in the 40s and even into the 50s, it was hard to get bullets to reload with. Today, one company, say Hornady, makes more diffrent bullets by itself, than all the companies in existance made in the 50s.

Someone mentioned a picture above and the Ttsx bullet hadn't expanded much. But that's all they're made to expand. I'd like to see them go back further, say half way, but they don't. They are impressive when they are made to. Have seen a 458 one that did, and very impressive. But the Tsx/Ttsx bullets can only expand back to the end of the hole drilled in them. Then become a solid.


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