Great guys I am pretty much seeing a coming theme here . I personally like gold dots for a defence bullet but around here you cant hardly find them in factory loads and if you do you have to go to the bank to get a loan. But have noticed from my reloading suppier gold dots are about the same money as dang old win. HP. My goal will be to get once fired speer nickle brass. use the correct cci primer try to find the factory type of powder and charge if I cant I will chrono a factory round or two and match velocity. any other suggestions ?