Sawzall the elk hunters I believe you have are not the same as the ones I'm talking about. They are only sold by cabela's and are only offered in 400 grams of insulation or uninsulated. There was another elk hunter sold on the open market and I know they weren't the same. Yes they are a little stiff but my feet have never been wet in them and mine are the 400 gram insulation.I have hunted in them in -20 deg. but I hunt moving around they would not be that that good for stand hunting. I believe the key is don't let you feet sweat not only makes your feet cold but softens your skin and contributes to blisters, a good pair of wicking socks does wonders. Just my 2 cents worth
