Pretty sure the OP isn't 80.
Obviously you've never had the joy of getting up at 4:00 am, hiking a mile or more to an early morning spot on a rim before dawn and then at first light, some [bleep] from out of state rolls up on the other side on his noisy ATV, oblivious to the fact that he just pushed all the elk out of the drainage.
I have.
This is why I hate the ATV....and the guy who can see you set up with the wind in your face but tramps in from the other side to cut you off......all that does is [bleep] us both
BTW.....Road hunters suck too
