Safariman, The Remington 30's introduced the 22 inch barrel length. Jack O'Connor had one of the 17's reworked as a 416 Rigby. I will check and see if its at the J. O'C. Heritage Center, down in Lewiston, at the next LCWC meeting, there. These are indeed large heavy rifles, and they don't work with scopes for left handed men like myself. We cannot get to the safety, safely. But on an open sighted Express Rifle, its about equal to a Mauser's shroud, wing safety, IMO. For the right handed in the population, its a slick number, under a scope, when its converted to cock on opening, and given a more normal bolt handle.