The 223 or 8X57 are both seriously underated. The 8X57 is commonly rated with the 30/30 and that is lauphable! The 30/30 is a good 100 yd elk cartridge and the 8 X 57 will kill elk critters with ease at 500 yds. Huge underrating!
The 223 one of the better deer cartridges is illegal in many states.......Underated!
