there has been a lot of hype about the new Remington Ultimate and while it is a nice gun and clearly not another attempt by big green to just throw another cheap smoker out there I would steer clear of smokeless.

I think the OP got the message loud and clear..

Seems that every time smokeless is mentioned in a muzzleloader people go into spasms, lots of guns shoot smokeless BUT they are designed to do so SAFELY..

the fact is that all muzzleloaders are inherently more dangerous than CF guns be it a SML or smoker. Why is this? Its the nut that stuffs the goods down the barrel and expects it to work without regard to safe muzzleloading practices. Muzzleloaders get blown up every year and not just from guys shooting smokeless in BP guns. smokers get blown shooting BP etc but its almost always from negligence. same goes for Smokeless guns, double loads, ramrods getting shot from barrels etc...

anyone that desires to get educated on SMLs can go to Dougs Message Boards/ Savage Smokeless Muzzleloading and learn all you care to know about the smokeless game.

the new Remington is a great platform to convert to smokeless, with the 40x style action and a decent stock it will make a great gun with the addition of a .45 barrel and plug system