Just to give you guys an idea of what is going on with crate gun, I turned 10K down BUT 12K and its got to go to the advanced collector guys...I want to clean it up, mount the 24x Unertl with the turn of 2 screws, take the bolt out and bore sight it at my range and see what the old war horse will do! Ive not done that yet! very best WinchesterPoor