That could open a whole nuther kettle of fish. I know scores of westerners who wouldn't dream on taking on a grizzly with a .30-30
But they feel the ultimate in confidence with their 44 magnums...( which have roughly half the power...)
Never understood that one either. I guess that heavy bullet and 'magnum' on the headstamp contains some super pixie dust stuff.
Don't tell my near 80 yo uncle that a 222 with old, off the shelf, WW ammo isn't capable of killing deer. He might have choice word or two for ya.