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to those who don't like McCain, remove McCain's name and tell me what he said did not offend you. sticks and stones may break my bones but ......
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WTF there are some that think Hanoi Jane is a "HERO". So whats that tell ya?
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I don't get how a comment about an individual is an insult to a community.
Same as I don't get how someone is offended for God if someone say's God damn. Like God has virgin ears.
Let Trump and McCain duke it out... and quit being chickish.
Kent "I like people who weren't captured." I think it's safe to say that this statement insults the entire POW community, not just an individual, because it demeans what all POWs went through. As an outsider who (luckily) was never a POW, I find it highly offensive because of its demeaning intent. If that makes me "chickish," so be it. So are you insulted by McCain calling you a crazy, Or is it just talking chit to Trump? Kent I don't think McCain's comment was any less idiotic, but then again I'm not having to choose between those two for POTUS.
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The book 'The Nightengale's Song' gives a good account of the kind of man Mccain was during his time in the Navy. He may very well be a different man now but he was 'stand up' then.
Trump is a moron and would screw anyone to get another buck. A megalomaniac that will say anything to stay in the public eye.
getim 12, I bet you are a real hit at a party.
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I don't get how a comment about an individual is an insult to a community.
Same as I don't get how someone is offended for God if someone say's God damn. Like God has virgin ears.
Let Trump and McCain duke it out... and quit being chickish.
Kent "I like people who weren't captured." I think it's safe to say that this statement insults the entire POW community, not just an individual, because it demeans what all POWs went through. As an outsider who (luckily) was never a POW, I find it highly offensive because of its demeaning intent. If that makes me "chickish," so be it. So are you insulted by McCain calling you a crazy, Or is it just talking chit to Trump? Kent I don't think McCain's comment was any less idiotic, but then again I'm not having to choose between those two for POTUS. This is about insults as the title claims, that's the context, Trump insulted 'all' veterans... don't fall for the drama. Kent
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Any hero status that McCain may have gained as a POW he has pissed away by contributing to the destruction of this Country.
Many people have been POW's that doesn't give the a license to phuqck up our Country. If people want to continue to hold him up as a hero that is fine with me, but I think of him as more of a traitor than a hero.
I always say, the only thing keeping McCain from being the worst POTUS in history is that Obama won the election and assumed the title. Hard to argue with this.
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I don't get how a comment about an individual is an insult to a community.
Same as I don't get how someone is offended for God if someone say's God damn. Like God has virgin ears.
Let Trump and McCain duke it out... and quit being chickish.
Kent "I like people who weren't captured." I think it's safe to say that this statement insults the entire POW community, not just an individual, because it demeans what all POWs went through. As an outsider who (luckily) was never a POW, I find it highly offensive because of its demeaning intent. If that makes me "chickish," so be it. So are you insulted by McCain calling you a crazy, Or is it just talking chit to Trump? Kent I don't think McCain's comment was any less idiotic, but then again I'm not having to choose between those two for POTUS. This is about insults as the title claims, that's the context, Trump insulted 'all' veterans... don't fall for the drama. Kent You could say the same about McCain and his comment of "the crazies" considering how many vets are involved in the Tea Party movement, gun rights et al. Not to mention all of us who pay into the system that covers his $180,000/yr salary and his coming %100 of salary pension, and the separate health care and and....
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The book 'The Nightengale's Song' gives a good account of the kind of man Mccain was during his time in the Navy. He may very well be a different man now but he was 'stand up' then.
Trump is a moron and would screw anyone to get another buck. A megalomaniac that will say anything to stay in the public eye.
getim 12, I bet you are a real hit at a party. Posted before...several times...McCain Profile: Prisoner of war by Dan Nowicki and Bill Muller - Mar. 1, 2007 The Arizona Republic CHAPTER III: PRISONER OF WAR John McCain sat on a stool in Hanoi, his teeth broken, his body battered from a savage beating, his arms tied behind him in torture ropes. A guard entered the room. "Are you ready to confess your crimes?" he asked. "No," McCain replied. Every two hours, one guard would hold McCain while two others beat him. They kept it up for four days.
Finally, McCain lay on the floor at "The Plantation," a bloody mess, unable to move. His right leg, injured when he was shot down, was horribly swollen. A guard yanked him to his feet and threw him down. His left arm smashed against a bucket and broke again. "I reached the lowest point of my 5+ years in North Vietnam," McCain would write later. "I was at the point of suicide." What happened next, in that August of 1968, nearly a year after he was captured, is chronicled in The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg:"(McCain) looked at the louvered cell window high above his head, then at the small stool in the room. He took off his dark blue prison shirt, rolled it like a rope, draped one end over his shoulder near his neck, began feeding the other end through the louvers." A guard burst into the cell and pulled McCain away from the window. For the next few days, he was on suicide watch. McCain's will had finally wilted under the beatings. Unable to endure any more, he agreed to sign a confession. McCain slowly wrote, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors." He would never forgive himself. "I had learned what we all learned over there," he would write later. "Every man has a breaking point. I had reached mine." Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/elect...301mccainbio-chapter3.html#ixzz3gI6x6LF6
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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To all who commented Tell if I am wrong ; I took what Trump said to mean that McCain is a hero not because he did something extraordinary in combat but because he was a POW. It is about the same as when the Prez jumped off the deep end over the college Prof. or the firing of a college Prof. for using the word [bleep]. People are either incompetent or no longer can speak and use the American language properly. Just my take YTMV Cheers NC But isn't being a POw exactly what McCain is remembered for? Not much else about his service gets touted by his followers except that I haven't seen a SINGLE McCain follower here. In fact, just about every post has hammered him on his political and even personal life. Some of us just have the ability to discern between the two and the fact he was a war hero does not excuse what constitutes what some of you call treasonous behavior in his political life which I can certainly agree with. But on this and the other thread, I have never to date seen so much conjecture and fantasies (not a single one substantiated) he lived the Life Of Riley while a POW. Missing have your teeth and having arms like a T-Rex as a result of his torture as a POW should give even the most obtuse here a clue. The uestion was: JM is remembered for his time as a POW Not his ribbons and medals correct?
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The book 'The Nightengale's Song' gives a good account of the kind of man Mccain was during his time in the Navy. He may very well be a different man now but he was 'stand up' then.
Trump is a moron and would screw anyone to get another buck. A megalomaniac that will say anything to stay in the public eye.
getim 12, I bet you are a real hit at a party. Posted before...several times...McCain Profile: Prisoner of war by Dan Nowicki and Bill Muller - Mar. 1, 2007 The Arizona Republic CHAPTER III: PRISONER OF WAR John McCain sat on a stool in Hanoi, his teeth broken, his body battered from a savage beating, his arms tied behind him in torture ropes. A guard entered the room. "Are you ready to confess your crimes?" he asked. "No," McCain replied. Every two hours, one guard would hold McCain while two others beat him. They kept it up for four days.
Finally, McCain lay on the floor at "The Plantation," a bloody mess, unable to move. His right leg, injured when he was shot down, was horribly swollen. A guard yanked him to his feet and threw him down. His left arm smashed against a bucket and broke again. "I reached the lowest point of my 5+ years in North Vietnam," McCain would write later. "I was at the point of suicide." What happened next, in that August of 1968, nearly a year after he was captured, is chronicled in The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg:"(McCain) looked at the louvered cell window high above his head, then at the small stool in the room. He took off his dark blue prison shirt, rolled it like a rope, draped one end over his shoulder near his neck, began feeding the other end through the louvers." A guard burst into the cell and pulled McCain away from the window. For the next few days, he was on suicide watch. McCain's will had finally wilted under the beatings. Unable to endure any more, he agreed to sign a confession. McCain slowly wrote, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors." He would never forgive himself. "I had learned what we all learned over there," he would write later. "Every man has a breaking point. I had reached mine." Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/elect...301mccainbio-chapter3.html#ixzz3gI6x6LF6 Yep, an amazing story of absolute brutality and toughness beyond what most of us could endure. Still doesn't give the man the right or the authority to screw our country over. Or insult his fellow veteran brothers. Or be called a hero. Trump may be a jerk but he has added to the wealth of this country while McCain has been sucking the wealth out by his siding with the socialist progressives time and time again.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
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I sorta liked Trump and his often "straight" talk... but that all changed when he made that stupid statement about prisoners-of-war NOT being "heroes"... especially when those brave and honorable warriors were TORTURED so horribly.
And I'm NOT talking about McCain, but ALL prisoners-of-war.
I.E., Trump just LOST my vote... even if he runs in '16 ! But... after his stupid comment, I'm sure he won't even be on the "List" of those running for President.
And, funny as it seems to be... Trump "shot-himself-in-the-MOUTH"... not in the "foot"!!!
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It's called "The Halo Effect", and lots of people succumb to it. Just because somebody did something you approve of, doesn't mean that they are decent people (an angel). This guy was a veteran hero also.
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I remember him for both, as well as his horrendous political record to date, including his views on Vietnam, torture, etc. He is an arrogant prick and believe me, I know quite a bit about the man. My best friend's FIL was his roommate at the Boat School and flight training, so yeah, I'm FAR from a McCain fan, but again, I can differentiate...
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Trump is stunning folks with his refusal to back down, or plead for forgivness.
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Trump's comments are out of line. I don't agree with every veteran's politics, but I respect all veterans that honorably serve or have served. Trump's a blowhard. I remember seeing McCain and the rest of those prisoners when they were released. What was Trump doing about then?
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I sorta liked Trump and his often "straight" talk... but that all changed when he made that stupid statement about prisoners-of-war NOT being "heroes"... especially when those brave and honorable warriors were TORTURED so horribly.
And I'm NOT talking about McCain, but ALL prisoners-of-war.
I.E., Trump just LOST my vote... even if he runs in '16 ! But... after his stupid comment, I'm sure he won't even be on the "List" of those running for President.
And, funny as it seems to be... Trump "shot-himself-in-the-MOUTH"... not in the "foot"!!!
Strength & Honor...
Ron T. Well said, exactly right. Trump is a high flying dickhead no more, no less. MM Go watch the cideo and point out where he said POWS were not heroes?
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But the most important thing to remember is IT DON'T MEAN NOTHING!
They are just raising crapp and seeing what sticks and some folks oblige them.
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we are here to drain the swamp, but everyone is acting like they are up to their arse in alligators.
if we're to break out of this malaise that ol Jimmah said we are in, we've got to have a leader, traditionally speaking.
so what if a true leader possesses a few warts. trump is just human, and puts on his pants like the rest of us.
folks had better start looking at the big picture and stop worrying about protecting the status quo. the status quo is dead in the water.
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