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Over a billion people on this planet attempting to live on less then a dollar a day....You don't think that's screwed up??

screwed up with people I suppose. We should be helping folks more.

Maybe if everyone believed...

Oops, see, another circular argument coming...

What do you think we evolved from, and what's your evidence?

Is that supposed to be proof of something, other than Christians think their way is the only way?

Other religions think the same thing too

The poor will be with you always.

besides, you assume a quality of life based on money. Maybe its not about money, as opposed to faith?

Then what?

What you are referring to is the hypothesis of Panspermia, which does not require intelligent alien actors.

Just what is it they can "believe" that will actually change reality?
Be specific

Your magic being doesn't solve anything, since you never explain his origins, nor provided any evidence for his existence.

The reality that life on Earth sucks? is that what you are trying to get at?

sucks, for lack of a better term, is subjective.

I did not propose that at all (concerning God), but nice try.

What existed before that 13.8 billion years? And, what exists at the boundary of it all, given it's finite?

No Scientist has ever asserted that science has always had it all figured out.

If you take a look at your chart on the atomic timeline, you will notice all that progress was made by scientist, and there was no contribution made by religion.

You must whole-heartedly support man-made global warming models.

Has science been politicized at all these last 50 years?

You make a good point. Perhaps I should have said I think it might be a sin for a Christian to seek proof. Christianity is one hundred percent faith based. Through faith in Christ I am saved. Without faith what does a Christian have?

"Following Christ does not mean following His followers, many who come across as judgmental, quarrelsome, disingenuous, hostile, and moralistic superiors who seem to think they are the only ones going to heaven and also seem to relish the fact that everyone else is going to hell. Some folks don't wanna belong to 'that' group. And although they remain committed to Christ, and their faith in Christ remains central to their lives, and they continue to believe in a loving God who created the universe... they choose to step away from the words 'Christian' and 'Christianity'. With good reason. Christ is infinitely more important than either of those two words."

That's a little gem of wisdom, right there.

Might be a pearl.

I read one time about how you ought to be careful where you cast them.

That's just silly.

Stating "I don't know", does not in anyway imply the individual believes they know all possibilities. If anything, it's a statement to the contrary, because obviously they don't know the possibility that lead to the statement.

That is called a confirmation bias, and it can happen in any subject.

I will be honest with you. I believe in God and Jesus Christ, the Son OF God. Why, because I want to, I made that choice myself without any need for proof. In fact I will go on record as saying not only is their no proof but it may even be a sin to try to find a proof. I believe because I believe and that's all I need.

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I find it interesting that you believe there is no proof.

What about fulfilled Bible prophesy that has all come true? For instance the prophesy of the destruction of Babylon and the bibles claim that it would never be inhabited again. One can go to Irac and see for yourself the ancient ruins and that the city has never been inhabited again though rebuilding has been tried by several and failed.

What about Isaiah's claim that the earth is round and hanging apon nothing thousands of years before the popular belief was that the world is not flat?

Why is it the year 2015?

Why is the bible the one book that has been sought to be destroyed by governments all over the world yet for some reason is the most widely distributed book in history today?

We humans ourselves are absolute proof that intelligent life is in fact a reality unless of course we are imagining all of this.

We are absolute proof of the fact that other intelligent life is a possibity and therefore cannot intelligently dismiss the possibility of intelligent entities elsewhere such as God.

If God is in fact the most intelligent being in the universe than the bible that is claimed to be inspired by God should contain wisdom that is far beyond any other book one could attain.

If God does exist and one reads the bible and finds it ignorant it would speak volumes about ones lack of intellect.

There is a very wise saying in Proverbs that says......it is foolishness on one part to make a conclusion on a matter before hearing all of the matter.

As far as your question about whether or not Christians are dishonest. If someone one is dishonest that person is not a Christian.

The bible states.......Liars will not inherit the kingdom.

2 Timothy 3 1-5 gives examples of false Christian during the last days. It says.......many will have a FORM of Godly devotion but will prove false to its power. From these ones stay away!!!

Perhaps these are the dishonest ones you might be referring too.






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My proof comes through faith. My experiences in my faith through things like miracles along with the everyday wonder of life and nature are proof to me but I cannot prove that to someone else. The kind of proof that is being asked about in the OP only comes through faith.

As a Christian I confess I am tired of the same things from Christians who think I an not as Christian as they are.

"Not believing this was "created" does not require any faith, because we have the evidence. Faith is a belief held despite a lack of evidence, or despite good evidence to the contrary. The scientific evidence for the Big Bang and Evolution are not in any way faith based.

As for your comments on infinity, the Universe has not existed for an infinite amount of time, but a finite 13.8 billion years. In addition, the universe is expanding, so it's finite in size. The total energy of the universe also continues to decrease as we move toward "heat death", so again, we will not have equal conditions for an infinite amount of time, so your whole infinity argument is void."

When I read comments like the above, I think to myself:

My friend, A.S. is awfully smart. But ain't no way in hell he figured all that out by himself.

Other guys must have come up with these ideas, and A.S. believes they offer an explanation for things he can't "see" personally.

I reckon it brings him a measure of comfort to believe that SOMEBODY has the answers, so he puts his faith in THEM... the scientists.

Not much different from "believers" who have never had a personal experience with the "risen Jesus", but place their bets on the bible, or, the church.

So....... that leaves a blessed few who just KNOW.

And they know that their kind of knowledge can't be transmitted from one human to another.

Rather than feeling superior, they just feel BLESSED.