Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Case Closed: FBI Says 9mm Is The Best Pistol Round

Unless it's a nine, in which case it will be totally ineffective while I fire a one shot stop from my .45-1904Megaladon.

I laugh at operator error too!

I really enjoy Handgun forum debates, bonus points for caliber controversy. Ayoob quotes were missing but Jordan trumps him anyway. All experienced gunfighters strive to shoot slower and carry less ammo.

mike r

and all of this makes me feel so inaedequate when i went out in the desert today with a 696 .44 special as a sidearm. And only five shots. The horror of it all.

Can I ask what in the holy fugk that has to do with the FBI's findings?




Dave

Compelling response.





Travis

Can I ask what the fbi's findings have to do with anything? Is this the same fbi that once declared there was "no evidence" of organized crime in the U.S.?
These are people who begin with a position or supposition and build a case to support it. It's how they roll. It's what they do...

New boss, new day, they shuffle the cards and come up with new findings.
They could convict Mother Theresa if they were directed to do so...

Duh! I mean, don't you watch I love Lucy?
Incidentally, Desi's mother Amparo was Godmother to my dad. NOSHIT!

Last I heard, darn near everybody agreed that handgun rounds do not instantly stop bad guys, absent a CNS hit, or a major broken bone hit. So the "stopping agent" is tissue damage and blood loss.

As long as penetration is adequate, why would a bigger hole not be desirable?

...and the loaded AK on the back floor.... :-)

Because you can make smaller holes faster and more accurately.

And a smaller hole made fast enough beats a big hole that was made too slowly.

And a more accurate shot increases your odds of a CNS hit.

Then please do expound on your findings.

What calibers and loads have you extensively tested, which barriers did you test them through, how far did those rounds penetrate, how much weight did they retain, what did the wound cavity look like?

What weapons did you test them in, what were the result of your accuracy testing, what were the differences in time for accurate follow up shots between the various calibers tested, how did the shooters' physical attributes contribute to your findings, how did the shooters' experience levels contribute to the results?

Of course you can!

It has to do with handguns. Which, based on your posts, you don't have much experience with.





Not sure. I'm not a FBI historian. Sounds like a fun hobby though.



Travis

You're not just Cuban. You're a scorching-Cuban.



Travis

Sorry, should have clarified. ATK doesn't make the missiles that I shoot from my jet.

It would be. If the only things you were weighing are wound diameter.

But the FBI's findings regarding wound diameter were the same as JWP's and not enough to outweigh the shootability of the 9mm and extra magazine capacity.





Travis

FBI-We want to find out which car most efficiently reaches 60mph in 6 seconds.

Campfire Guru-My grandpa drove a car a 100 years ago that went 60mph.

FBI-Car#1 reaches 60mph in 6 seconds burning the least amount of fuel, with the most comfortable ride and was the easiest to safely drive.

Campfire Guru-But Car#2 does it in 5.9 seconds.....with no power steering and it slides all over the road and is wildly dangerous for half the drivers in the world.

FBI-Yes, Car#2 is faster. But that speed comes at a price. Do you understand cause and effect?

Campfire Guru-Did you not hear me???? I said 5.9 SECONDS!!!!

FBI-Have you ever tested both cars side by side to see which best accomplishes the goal?

Campfire Guru-So YOU'RE telling ME that my grandpa was a queer for pulling a trailer with Truck#3?

FBI-What are you even talking about? We're testing the speed efficiency of cars reaching 60mph and set 6 seconds as our benchmark.

Campfire Guru-A real man could keep any car on the road. I can. I did it one time last year.

FBI-Of course you can. But you could drive Car#1 and still accomplish your goal, but without as much drama or problems for yourself.

Campfire Guru-Don't tell me about your stupid race car.

FBI-It's not a race car, it's just a regular car. But it more efficiently accomplishes the same goal as Car#2.

Campfire Guru-Do you have any idea how large my penis is? I can drive ANY CAR.

FBI-That really has nothing to do with our research.

Campfire Guru-If you ever call my grandpa a queer again I'll shoot you with my bullets from 1904.

I'm curious..... How many people who are against a switch to 9mm own and regularly shoot with a shot timer?

I'm dying fugking laughing right now....

You're an ass hole.




Travis