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I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. Fear alone is inadequate. The fear must be reasonable by an objective standard. Standing passively with hands raised is inadequate, regardless of how much actual fear the officers subjectively felt.

I'm betting that second video is from the body cam that all LE IN Texas is required to wear

I dunno that the Sheriff's Dept. has 'em yet, the local reports said neither officer was wearing one.

Birdwatcher

The video I've seen on TV appears to have been shot with a cell phone, over a fence, from a 2nd story window across the street.

I saw a guy raise his hands, but he didn't look at all passive to me. If I had to pick between a) he was surrendering or b) he wanted to draw 'em in closer, I'd pick "b".

JMHO....

I'm married, so its not exactly all that rare of an occurrence.

Stop thinking with your dipstick, Jimy.

I have dealt with individuals armed with knives enough times to one thing...when confronting them and attempting to put hands on. You're going to get cut. In 15 years I was cut twice

One time cost me a couple hours of surgery and 4 weeks off from work. The second cost me 11 stitches

If he had had a knife in his hands, raised or not and was within 21 feet and not responding cognitively/appropriately to LE commands and was acting aggressively, either physically or verbally then it was was a justifiable use of force

I'm copying your post and measuring my kitchen, I think I'm inside the twenty one foot rule, the little woman better watch her chitt, and make better coffee from here on out!

I'm betting Pat knows more about tx's use of force laws than you do

I shoulda shot the guy responsible for this:

If that is the case, you should divorce your husband.

Chicks dig scars, hell you owe him one!

Body Cams are not required, but mobile video recorders are. They will be, and funding was just approved by the State to buy some yesterday.

20 years ago, we joked about having to wear a video camera on our shoulder while we worked. Shouldn't have laughed so hard at the idea...

http://www.kristv.com/story/2993852...cial&utm_source=facebook_KRIS_6_News

check out video in link.

CORPUS CHRISTI -

Local attorney Thomas J Henry is now representing the family of a man killed by two deputies in Bexar County.

Video of that shooting was released on Tuesday, and raises serious questions about whether deadly force was justified.

The video was shot by a citizen with the cell phone down the street.

It shows Flores shot twice by two deputies while he appears to have his hands in the air.

"This still photograph shows Mr. Flores in his front yard, with his hands up," said Henry on Tuesday as he pointed at one of several large posters, "This is critical because this video appears to demonstrate that the immediate danger of death or serious injury to an officer or another officer had passed."

Henry says it was a domestic dispute involving Flores and the mother of his child, born 21 days earlier, that brought deputies to the home.

A spokesperson for the sheriff's office said those deputies tried to use non-lethal force to detain him, but it didn't work, so they resorted to gunfire.

Henry worries the shooting could impact future standoffs between suspects and police.

"If you put your arms up, and that's not enough to say 'I give up', and you get shot and killed, what does that say for people who are willing to give up?" he questioned.

Henry has also learned that another citizen shot a similar video, and it could shed even more light on what happened.

Henry wants that video released by the county.

"I think all people in the community, in the state, and in our country want to see that second video to confirm whether it clarifies was he holding both of his hands up when he was shot and killed," he said.

According to Henry, a civil rights lawsuit in federal court isn't a certainty yet, but based on what he knows right now, it's highly likely.

A grand jury is expected to review the shooting to decide if the deputies should face criminal charges for their actions.

UPDATE 9/2/2015

Various media sources are stating that Flores had prior convictions for aggravated robbery and assault with a deadly weapon.

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So here is a video, taken at the Wal-Mart in Lubbock a week or two ago. This guy has his hands up and down several times, but I don't believe there is anyone here that would think he was no longer a threat. It took 4 police with multiple bean bag rounds, and I think maybe a tazer as well, to take him down.

You less than lethal force guys should watch this. Life isn't so simple in the real world as it is the theoretical one. He didn't go down until he took a bean bag to the head, which can very easily be lethal.

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-onli...ficer-use-less-lethal-force#.Veb6UPlVhHw

Right? I remember telling myself..."Thank God I'll be retired before I have to learn how to use a computer"

I actually thought I had heard it from you, my mistake

I saw the vid everyone else did, and of course I wasn't there so can't pass correct judgement, but my first thought was that could have easily been a " Fun with Tazers" moment....

You did, but it was the MVR.