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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10377492 09/02/15
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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot ltppowell #10378230 09/02/15
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Birdwatcher Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 37,946 Likes: 5 San Antonio TX	Originally Posted by ltppowell Originally Posted by Steelhead Somehow one is supposed to drive a 15 ton vehicle, SAFELY, with kids from ages 4-18 all the time watching the children's EVERY move. It's pretty much the same thing. Well good, because I keep having to refrain from saying how much these situations remind me of incidents in school. Not that we've had kids running around stabbing people but stuff happens, and could happen any time. Not every week, but a few incidents every school year. What you have is situations where you're trying to get agitated, violent people to desist and comply. That guy to me was acting so far off his rocker that I believe the Cops showed admirable restraint in not shooting him sooner. JMHO, Birdwatcher "...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot Steelhead #10378324 09/02/15
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ldholton Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,586 Likes: 6 lawrence county MO	Originally Posted by Steelhead Here's a quiz, which of the following would you consider the most dangerous: 1) Being pulled over 10 times by police in a year 2) Walking, alone, unarmed through downtown Detroit at midnight. GO Edit to add: Curdog's response doesn't count That's funny [bleep] there !!

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10378360 09/02/15
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crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	so,.... Is there a "Shrine" set up where he fell, yet,...stuffed toys, plastic flowers, votive candles, etc ? GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10378362 09/02/15
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Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,733 Likes: 3 Northeast Louisiana	You guys ain't got a fuggin clue!! Even birds know not to land downwind!

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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot antelope_sniper #10378430 09/02/15
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add Campfire Ranger A Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 16,281 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by antelope_sniper Originally Posted by ltppowell Originally Posted by JohnMoses Originally Posted by ltppowell Cops don't normally tell somebody to put their hands up, contrary to what TV says. If this guy had a weapon, or was reasonably believed to have one, and moved in the slightest way, he needed shooting. That's ridiculous. If you can't determine whether or not he was armed at 20 ft, you need to be in the Helen Keller Institute. Chinese throwing stars would have posed a bigger threat than a knife at that distance. The scared or panic stricken don't need to wear a badge...or this happens. They better pray he was holding a grenade or they're toast. I have news for you. If you have just cut somebody up and are standing 20' away from a cop with a knife...you better not twitch, 'cause killing you will be justified. 20 feet is about a second and a half sprint. By the looks of the deceased (while still alive), he appears to be an outlier... Epstein didn't kill himself. "Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!" Biden didn't win the election.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot add #10382822 09/03/15
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Birdwatcher Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 37,946 Likes: 5 San Antonio TX	IMHO, those describing the perp as sluggish seemingly ain't watched the video. Lotta fat guys like that down here, the fact that hog lard is the #1 ingredient in most all Tex-Mex being a likely contributing factor. Its also come out in the news today also that the perp had just previous to the filmed sequence attacked one of the responding deputies with the knife but had been blocked by a shield device the deputy had. To the point that bystanders were wondering why they had not shot the perp sooner. IIRC the perp had prior arrests for assault including on a campus police officer. Seems like the two deputies will rightfully receive a pass on this one, sounds to me like they might even deserve a commendation. Birdwatcher "...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10382908 09/03/15
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2legit2quit Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 20,683 cold & forbidden	whar ya goin wit that knife Leroy? "headed to a gunfight" sheeeitt (best Bristoe imitiation I can muster) I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot crossfireoops #10383036 09/03/15
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2legit2quit Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 20,683 cold & forbidden	Originally Posted by crossfireoops so,.... Is there a "Shrine" set up where he fell, yet,...stuffed toys, plastic flowers, votive candles, etc ? GTC Greg, I'm a lil tight this month, could you send some toy candles in my name? thanks in advance I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot 2legit2quit #10383068 09/03/15
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crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by 2legit2quit Originally Posted by crossfireoops so,.... Is there a "Shrine" set up where he fell, yet,...stuffed toys, plastic flowers, votive candles, etc ? GTC Greg, I'm a lil tight this month, could you send some toy candles in my name? thanks in advance PM Jimy, he's handling the Shrine donations, and organizing a series of memorial car-washes. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10383074 09/03/15
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blanket Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 9,920 Likes: 1 SE, Iowa	I think I will wait for all the facts to come out before I jump on a wagon. Not some rat cell phone video.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot blanket #10384348 09/04/15
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The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,851 Likes: 35 USA	Originally Posted by blanket I think I will wait for all the facts to come out before I jump on a wagon. Not some rat cell phone video. Not seeing a lot of what you call "jumping on a wagon" in this thread. As for myself, I merely stated that, based on what appears to have transpired on that video clip, a charge of murder didn't seem inappropriate. That doesn't mean I'm ready to lynch the officers. All it means is that it seems to merit such a charge being presented to a grand jury, followed by a trial by jury, should the grand jury so decide. Even assuming a knife in the hand, and threatening words (as some have suggested occurred), given the apparent absence of any sort of aggressive move on the part of the deceased immediately preceding the shooting, that would seem, at minimum, appropriate.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot The_Real_Hawkeye #10384366 09/04/15
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ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas	All homicides are presented to a Grand Jury in the State of Texas. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384370 09/04/15
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crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Update: Hawkeye's volunteered to handle the cookies,cupcakes, and soft drinks for the nightly shrine memorial gatherings. Thx Hawk ! GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot ltppowell #10384404 09/04/15
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The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,851 Likes: 35 USA	Originally Posted by ltppowell All homicides are presented to a Grand Jury in the State of Texas. Then there you have it. In the mean time, folks here have been discussing what appears to have transpired in the video clip. I'm not seeing anyone ready to lynch anyone, which one would assume has been the case based on the reactions of some in the police contingent here.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384438 09/04/15
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JohnMoses Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 18,508 Mississippi	Bluedreaux is as confused as ever, so nothing has changed there...I can see where reading aloud is a benefit to him. There are a lot of unanswered questions and if this was so cut & dried like many here are espousing, why are other police officers troubled by the video? Did they have a legal right to shoot to kill him? Maybe. That doesn't make it any less irresponsible- I'm still waiting for the answer as to why they acted when they did... The video clearly shows he wasn't attempting to approach them. He was standing there holding up his hands. WE don't know what was being said and will now get only one side of that story. He must have been really good at telling scary tales, because his body language at the time of the shooting doesn't indicate he posed an immediate threat to those officers or anyone else. I like cops. I really like responsible ones.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot RWE #10384456 09/04/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Did we ever get to see the 2nd video? I guess some folks won't think justified till they been there/done that. That's my gun hand. 20 feet goes by faster than the 1st time you had sex.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot cv540 #10384460 09/04/15
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida	Originally Posted by cv540 How the fugk do black cowboys end up in Milwaukee? Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot JohnMoses #10384464 09/04/15
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deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida	Originally Posted by JohnMoses I'm still waiting for the answer as to why they acted when they did... Then shoot an e-mail to the people that shot him. Because nobody here can answer it. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot JohnMoses #10384478 09/04/15
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gitem_12 Campfire Ranger G Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101	Originally Posted by JohnMoses Bluedreaux is as confused as ever, so nothing has changed there...I can see where reading aloud is a benefit to him. There are a lot of unanswered questions and if this was so cut & dried like many here are espousing, why are other police officers troubled by the video? Did they have a legal right to shoot to kill him? Maybe. That doesn't make it any less irresponsible- I'm still waiting for the answer as to why they acted when they did... The video clearly shows he wasn't attempting to approach them. He was standing there holding up his hands. WE don't know what was being said and will now get only one side of that story. He must have been really good at telling scary tales, because his body language at the time of the shooting doesn't indicate he posed an immediate threat to those officers or anyone else. I like cops. I really like responsible ones. So given the above mentioned statement from a witness that he had already attacked one of the deputies with a knife. How would you, in all of your vast law enforcement training handled the situation given what we know that * Tasers had been used and were ineffective * he had already attacked one officer with a knife * already assaulted the mother of his child, which was the catalyst for the police responding * it is the accepted standard that anyone within 21 feet of you armed with a knife is a legitimate lethal threat to you The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell

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