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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot deflave #10384482 09/04/15
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101 G gitem_12 Campfire Ranger
gitem_12 Campfire Ranger G Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101	Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by cv540 How the fugk do black cowboys end up in Milwaukee? Travis By driving through Chicago The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384500 09/04/15
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,594 Central Mo H Hugh Campfire Regular
Hugh Campfire Regular H Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,594 Central Mo	not enough in video for me also dude just cut up a women with an infant present .that kind of action can not come out good for him .

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot Hugh #10384504 09/04/15
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas	Same video...a little more info. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/0...lists/san-antonio-shooting-bexar-county/ The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot JohnMoses #10384518 09/04/15
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 3,327 The swamps of SW Wyoming B BayouRover Campfire Tracker
BayouRover Campfire Tracker B Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 3,327 The swamps of SW Wyoming	Originally Posted by JohnMoses Bluedreaux is as confused as ever, so nothing has changed there...I can see where reading aloud is a benefit to him. There are a lot of unanswered questions and if this was so cut & dried like many here are espousing, why are other police officers troubled by the video? Did they have a legal right to shoot to kill him? Maybe. That doesn't make it any less irresponsible- I'm still waiting for the answer as to why they acted when they did... The video clearly shows he wasn't attempting to approach them. He was standing there holding up his hands. WE don't know what was being said and will now get only one side of that story. He must have been really good at telling scary tales, because his body language at the time of the shooting doesn't indicate he posed an immediate threat to those officers or anyone else. I like cops. I really like responsible ones. Or to paraphrase: "I don't have a fugging clue about what really happened but I know it ain't right because I watched a cell phone video taken from 200 yards away." You're a walking Einstein, dude. It's official. I missed the selfie deadline so I'm Maser's sock puppet because rene and the Polish half of the fubar twins have decided that I am. ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ μολὼν λαβέ

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot ltppowell #10384520 09/04/15
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger
RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by ltppowell Same video...a little more info. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/0...lists/san-antonio-shooting-bexar-county/ They are saying that people are analyzing the 2nd video to determine if he had a knife and if he was getting froggy when he got shot. Sadly, the 24 hour campfire could have done that a whole lot quicker.

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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot gitem_12 #10384528 09/04/15
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,848 Likes: 35 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage
The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,848 Likes: 35 USA	Originally Posted by gitem_12 * it is the accepted standard that anyone within 21 feet of you armed with a knife is a legitimate lethal threat to you While that is indeed tactical wisdom well worth knowing, it's not a legal principle. What the law demands is some sort of action by said armed man, immediately preceding the lethal force self-defense/defense-of-others, that would indicate to a reasonable man that violence of a sort that could cause serious harm or death, is imminent. No such action is visible on the clip. Previous actions don't cut it, even if they might lower the bar for what a reasonable man would classify as an imminently threatening action. I know all these laws relating to lethal force justification make a policeman's job more difficult and dangerous, but that's the price we pay for living in a society where the police aren't a law unto themselves.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384540 09/04/15
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,269 Upstate NY EvilTwin Campfire Ranger
EvilTwin Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,269 Upstate NY	Well, if you were to slash the throat of a woman and cut up an infant then stand between me and those severely injured folks so I cannot bring them aid, after 1 try with the taser, you are a dead man. You no longer matter. I don't g.a.f what the world thinks then, the innocent injured will be given aid. You will be given a funeral. Be afraid,be VERY VERY afraid ad triarios redisse My Buddy eh76 speaks authentic Frontier Gibberish!

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot The_Real_Hawkeye #10384544 09/04/15
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage
deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida	Totality of circumstances. That's what will be reviewed. Same as every other use of force incident. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot deflave #10384564 09/04/15
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,848 Likes: 35 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage
The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,848 Likes: 35 USA	Originally Posted by deflave Totality of circumstances. That's what will be reviewed. Same as every other use of force incident. Travis Quite appropriate, so long as it's not a strictly internal investigation, i.e., so long as the fix isn't in. I'm guessing there will be a grand jury murder charge on this one, though. Just too over the line for them to get away with a fix.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384582 09/04/15
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,140 Wisconsin W wildbill59 OP Campfire Tracker
OP wildbill59 Campfire Tracker W Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,140 Wisconsin	At least they went to the right house and a dog wasn't shot. Feel the Bern in your wallet.

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Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384634 09/04/15
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna
crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	I think that it's time to cut down all these fargin' power poles, so we can see what's going on when delivery drivers with cheap cell phones become THE deterministic force in the evaluation of an incident of this sort. Maybe we need a law requiring delivery drivers to take a course or two in cinematography, and on scene reporting. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384662 09/04/15
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RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	apparently, the problem is Øbamaphone. can't shoot enough frames or sufficient resolution. I think we need to pay more taxes so the people with free phones can have better instruments to record the po po.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot BayouRover #10384688 09/04/15
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JohnMoses Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 18,508 Mississippi	Originally Posted by BayouRover Originally Posted by JohnMoses Bluedreaux is as confused as ever, so nothing has changed there...I can see where reading aloud is a benefit to him. There are a lot of unanswered questions and if this was so cut & dried like many here are espousing, why are other police officers troubled by the video? Did they have a legal right to shoot to kill him? Maybe. That doesn't make it any less irresponsible- I'm still waiting for the answer as to why they acted when they did... The video clearly shows he wasn't attempting to approach them. He was standing there holding up his hands. WE don't know what was being said and will now get only one side of that story. He must have been really good at telling scary tales, because his body language at the time of the shooting doesn't indicate he posed an immediate threat to those officers or anyone else. I like cops. I really like responsible ones. Or to paraphrase: "I don't have a fugging clue about what really happened but I know it ain't right because I watched a cell phone video taken from 200 yards away." You're a walking Einstein, dude. Nothing of substance to add. Unable to comprehend or refute what is clearly visible to everyone = stupid response. Bet that tiny nerve bundle of yours was working in overdrive to crank out that penetrating reply. Laffin. I think you take the Einstein title by 4 lengths.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot deflave #10384698 09/04/15
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,117 Likes: 1 South Carolina MadMooner Campfire Ranger
MadMooner Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,117 Likes: 1 South Carolina	Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by cv540 How the fugk do black cowboys end up in Milwaukee? Travis Greyhound.... “Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384710 09/04/15
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,117 Likes: 1 South Carolina MadMooner Campfire Ranger
MadMooner Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,117 Likes: 1 South Carolina	Looks pretty bad on the face of it from the video. If he did just cut up a woman and a kid, I could GAF if they shot him or not. It'll go to a GJ and the cops will have to answer some questions. Life goes on (except for the dead guy......his kinda stopped on the sidewalk). “Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot EvilTwin #10384750 09/04/15
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2legit2quit Campfire Ranger Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 20,683 cold & forbidden	Originally Posted by EvilTwin Well, if you were to slash the throat of a woman and cut up an infant then stand between me and those severely injured folks so I cannot bring them aid, after 1 try with the taser, you are a dead man. You no longer matter. I don't g.a.f what the world thinks then, the innocent injured will be given aid. You will be given a funeral. has been a very good life for me, not having had to resort to violence very often to protect my loved ones. when the SHTF you don't always get to pick who's got your back. but the words of this jabroni I've quoted above are what I'm looking for. if it's my wife and child or daughter and grand daughter that have been injured and there's a knife wielding moron that won't get outa the way to provide potential life saving treatment to them, I want him outa the way PRONTO. if those are my loved ones, the only confusion for me is why didn't you azzholes shoot him sooner? sadly it's how we've been conditioned to think far too often, "oh the poor perp, F the folks he's harmed" Well said friend Jim, well said indeed for my tastes I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot The_Real_Hawkeye #10384788 09/04/15
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101 G gitem_12 Campfire Ranger
gitem_12 Campfire Ranger G Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101	Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by gitem_12 * it is the accepted standard that anyone within 21 feet of you armed with a knife is a legitimate lethal threat to you While that is indeed tactical wisdom well worth knowing, it's not a legal principle. What the law demands is some sort of action by said armed man, immediately preceding the lethal force self-defense/defense-of-others, that would indicate to a reasonable man that violence of a sort that could cause serious harm or death, is imminent. No such action is visible on the clip. Previous actions don't cut it, even if they might lower the bar for what a reasonable man would classify as an imminently threatening action. I know all these laws relating to lethal force justification make a policeman's job more difficult and dangerous, but that's the price we pay for living in a society where the police aren't a law unto themselves. It isn't just tactical wisdom. There is legal precedent behind it It has been and will be an accepted standard The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot wildbill59 #10384808 09/04/15
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101 G gitem_12 Campfire Ranger
gitem_12 Campfire Ranger G Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101	If he wasn't acting threateningly why did they suddenly retreat right before shooting? The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot gitem_12 #10384822 09/04/15
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger
RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State	Originally Posted by gitem_12 If he wasn't acting threateningly why did they suddenly retreat right before shooting? to avoid blood splatter.

Re: Put your hands up. We won't shoot gitem_12 #10384832 09/04/15
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage
deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 South Florida	Totality of circumstances. Always and forever. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

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