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What a sad day for America;

I had higher expectations for my fellow gun enthusiasts but instead I find a plethora of Bimbos - pseudo phony lamentably incompetent. Just disgracefully incompetent border line morons.

Fortunately the vast majority, I estimate over 90%, that post here are very experienced, very competent really Good Guys that I respect and appreciate .

That 10% of pathetic , dysfunctional, squirrels, vicious, poopy mouth, insulting aggressive, trouble maker bully's come with the baggage along with their gang bang mindless followers.

So long as we recognize these destructive elements as fool and mentally disorientated I don't propose any action.

I see pictures all the time with the serial number blocked out or people putting XXX at the end so as to not say it's actual serial number. Why? Are people that paranoid that the government is going to track down their guns?

The guy you're talking to has done a few thousand 4473s, shut up while you're ahead.

William_F_Tibbe-

I'm pretty sure you're attempting to be helpful, but on the subject of serial numbers you need to do some catching up.

Under current laws, I'll have no difficulty transferring my J.C.Higgins rifle to any of my heirs or assigns, nor to any person who is a resident of Michigan and who I deem worthy of owning a J. C. Higgins rifle. Further I can ship it in interstate commerce via USPS, UPS, FedEx, or any other common carrier to a FFL holder.

Here is a part of the instructions for completing the ATF form 4457. For my rifle without serial-numbers, the instructions to the FFL holder are pretty plain:

Question(s) 26, 27, 28, 29 & 30, Firearm(s) Description:
These blocks should be completed with the firearm(s) information. Firearms manufactured after 1968 should all be marked with a serial number. Should you acquire a firearm that is not marked with a serial number; you may answer question 28 with “NSN” (No Serial Number), “N/A” or “None.

The whole 4457 with instructions can be found on the ATF website: [color:#0000FF]https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download[/color]

Here's a quote from the website for which you provided a link. It's about 3/4 of the way down the page, near the photo of the Remington Nylon 66:

As for those pre-GCA guns which were manufactured without serial numbers, some are still on the market. A dealer buying or selling a non-NFA firearm made before 1968 and without a serial number need record “Made prior to 1968, no serial number” or “NSN” in the serial number space on his transaction record. Unless there is a state or local requirement, he need not apply a number or obtain a number from the police or BATFE.
{image of Nylon 66}


Good luck.
--Bob

Bob: Ill give you my sons address in Ringwood New Jersey and invite you to try to ship a gun without a serial number.

FYI I shipped numerous guns to him and I know the score.

As I warned before your Guys are hung up on Federal Regs while the local regs are the gist of the matter.

A commercially manufactured gun with no serial number is illegal and cannot be owned. A home made gun for self us can.

Over the years there were several reasons for not having a serial number but most date back a long time. Chinese and Iranian guns have ben found by the case ALL with the same number.

My memory is a little fuzzy about German Mauser's that apparently were being counterfeited by bandit operators.

There have been some cases on record about replicas or antiques that didn't have numbers.

It may be possible that some estate guns had missing numbers, so I heard.

But you can take this to the bank: Any gun that has the serial number missing is HOT and party to a felony. You can't sell it, you can't own it, you can't ship it.

Maybe disquieting to the crooks but the experts can retrieve filed off serial numbers by some high tech science.
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However, if we are speaking about blocking out the numbers on a photo, as opposed to removing it from the weapon, that doesn't constitute a crime unless the intent is to hoodwink someone, commit some misrepresentation or fraud.

You're one haploid short of a zygote.

Look at Bottom of form in section D

Holy Schit!

Shades of OldDouche......

Steelhead, can I be your "connection" to LE this time of are you gonna continue with the old dude in TX?

[quote=Steelhead]No, Willie E. Tibbe is a retard. He was a retard 10 years ago when he had another logon name, he is a retard now. I kicked him in the nuts repeatedly back then for continually spewing FALSE information.

He hasn't changed in the least. There is nothing helpful about this POS troll, trust me. [/quote

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Certainly you are aware of the website regs that forbid deliberate attacks, insults, degradations, which you violate with apparent impunity.

You have a simple choice, Knock it off or your ass will be kicked all over the ball park. FYI I'm associated with Law enforcement. Get your pocket book ready. This will take you to litigation and cost you big time for slander and defamation.

Result of which you will be banned from this site permanently.

Bottom line : Piss me off and I will mess you up like your worst nightmare,

[quote=Steelhead]No, Willie E. Tibbe is a retard. He was a retard 10 years ago when he had another logon name, he is a retard now. I kicked him in the nuts repeatedly back then for continually spewing FALSE information.

He hasn't changed in the least. There is nothing helpful about this POS troll, trust me. [/quote

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I have no idea as to who you are and I have NO recollection at all of your allegations.

Certainly you are aware of the website regs that forbid deliberate attacks, insults, degradations, which you violate with apparent impunity.

You have a simple choice, Knock it off or your ass will be kicked all over the ball park. FYI I'm associated with Law enforcement. Get your pocket book ready. This will take you to litigation and cost you big time for slander and defamation.

Result of which you will be banned from this site permanently.

Bottom line : Piss me off and I will mess you up like your worst nightmare,

[quote=Steelhead]No, Willie E. Tibbe is a retard. He was a retard 10 years ago when he had another logon name, he is a retard now. I kicked him in the nuts repeatedly back then for continually spewing FALSE information.

He hasn't changed in the least. There is nothing helpful about this POS troll, trust me. [/quote

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I have no idea as to who you are and I have NO recollection at all of your allegations.

Certainly you are aware of the website regs that forbid deliberate attacks, insults, degradations, which you violate with apparent impunity.

You have a simple choice, Knock it off or your ass will be kicked all over the ball park. FYI I'm associated with Law enforcement. Get your pocket book ready. This will take you to litigation and cost you big time for slander and defamation.

Result of which you will be banned from this site permanently.

Bottom line : Piss me off and I will mess you up like your worst nightmare,

Pack up your peanut butter and jelly sandwich and apple for the teacher and toddle along little fella. It's school time.

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One foot out the door good Buddy !!



Bill Tibbe

A commercially manufactured gun with no serial number is illegal and cannot be owned.

Bob: Ill give you my sons address in Ringwood New Jersey and invite you to try to ship a gun without a serial number.

FYI I shipped numerous guns to him and I know the score.

Libel. Slander is spoken.

"Piss me off and I will mess you up..." sounds like a threat....

David

Rick:

I'm not law enforcement direct but civilian, autonomous collaborator with The FBI for infrastructure protection.