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I picked up a Tavor a couple months ago. SO far it's so-so. Trigger is horendous to put it lightly. My trigger scale goes to 10lbs and it takes considerable force beyond that! Accuracy is decent and I'm only shooting it with XM193 ammo and an EoTech with a 3x magnifier on it and aging eyes. It's heavy and doesn't balance that well IMO but you can hold it at the ready for a long time due to the weight distribution.
If the SHTF I'm grabbing my 1.5" AR though as it's lighter, more accurate, has a better trigger and is easier to work on.
I will probably sell it next year as I live by the motto "the one who gets to play with the most toys wins" By 1.5" AR do you mean it groups that size at a hundred yards? As for the trigger, like I said, I don't recommend even buying the Tavor unless you know from the start that it needs a Geissele trigger to replace the one it comes with. It's not the same rifle once that's replaced. PS Apparently the IDF thinks it's enough better than the AR to give up the free ones they can get from the U.S. and manufacture enough Tavors to do a total switch over. I may not approve of the behavior of the State of Israel, but few will question the seriousness of their defense forces, and its ability to evaluate weapons systems in the field. PPS I believe all Tavors are manufactured in the U.S. by Americans in Israeli owned facilities. The military versions are then sent to Israel, and the dozen or so other nations currently switching to them, while the semi-auto versions get sold domestically.
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You've wrung one out pretty good, have you? What about it causes you to conclude it's junk? Look at it. Travis
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You've wrung one out pretty good, have you? What about it causes you to conclude it's junk? Look at it. Travis Looks can be deceiving. Look at the Glock.
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The Tavor is perfect for the niche it was intended..which is...bilking money out of gullible gun aficionado's.
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The Tavor is perfect for the niche it was intended..which is...bilking money out of gullible gun aficionado's. LOL, oh come on now. Do I detect a slight case of sour grapes?
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Show me them clearing a jam.
This is where the BUll PUPs failed in the carbine classes I took.
One was a Tavor, one was a Sig(?), one was the Ke-Tec 308.
We sent up different failrues (double feed, etc.) and they were more difficult.
Show me a forced transition to the opposite side of the gun, with the case ejecting into your body.
Also, a right sided gun being forced into shooting from the left side in the middle of fight if FINE for a AR.
The TAVOR, not so much. This is what caused jams that we did NOT set up in class.
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BTW-The Kel-Tec was very cool with the front ejection (shot right or left fine). But still sucked at clearing jams/malfunctions.
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Show me them clearing a jam.
This is where the BUll PUPs failed in the carbine classes I took.
One was a Tavor, one was a Sig(?), one was the Ke-Tec 308.
We sent up different failrues (double feed, etc.) and they were more difficult.
Show me a forced transition to the opposite side of the gun, with the case ejecting into your body.
Also, a right sided gun being forced into shooting from the left side in the middle of fight if FINE for a AR.
The TAVOR, not so much. This is what caused jams that we did NOT set up in class.
BMT
BTW-The Kel-Tec was very cool with the front ejection (shot right or left fine). But still sucked at clearing jams/malfunctions.
BMT "The manual of arms (the operation of the gun and drills to mitigate malfunctions) is in principle very similar to that of an AR-15. Malfunction drills work just like an AR. Yes, some controls are in different places, but the steps that have to be done when it goes click instead of bang are identical. The only thing that I had a hard time getting used to was locking the bolt open. Jonathan, on the other hand had no trouble with this. In the end, it’s no easier or harder than an AR. Just different." Link
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The Tavor is perfect for the niche it was intended..which is...bilking money out of gullible gun aficionado's. LOL, oh come on now. Do I detect a slight case of sour grapes? Not me dude, I am 100% into AR's, I would not even attempt to use something that was not almost instinctive to me at this point.
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Looks can be deceiving. Look at the Glock. Is this comment supposed to make sense? Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The Tavor is perfect for the niche it was intended..which is...bilking money out of gullible gun aficionado's. LOL, oh come on now. Do I detect a slight case of sour grapes? Not me dude, I am 100% into AR's, I would not even attempt to use something that was not almost instinctive to me at this point. Completely understandable. I've owned and enjoyed ARs since the late 1970s. Haven't been without one since. The one in this picture is AR number five for me. It's a Sig P516 G2 piston gun with a ten inch barrel, classified a handgun, and sporting an arm brace (not a shoulder stock). It's also sporting an AimPoint Micro T2 with a Larue lever-detachable base, a set of Troy Industries flip up sights, and an AGL Combat Trigger, which I love.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Looks can be deceiving. Look at the Glock. Is this comment supposed to make sense? Travis Oh, I forgot. To you, a Glock is the image of perfection. Well, I like them, but I don't think they exactly exude the look of quality, at least in the traditional sense.
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Nice comparison. I see the coolness factor in the Tavor now. Is the pistol a black out
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Nice comparison. I see the coolness factor in the Tavor now. Is the pistol a black out Both are 5.56 NATO. Switching the Tavor to Blackout or 9mm is easy peasy. In 9mm it uses Colt stick mags.
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Looks can be deceiving. Look at the Glock. Is this comment supposed to make sense? Travis Oh, I forgot. To you, a Glock is the image of perfection. Well, I like them, but I don't think they exactly exude the look of quality, at least in the traditional sense. If you're trying to make no sense, you're on a roll. Travis
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It's a Sig P516 G2 piston gun with a ten inch barrel, classified a handgun, and sporting an arm brace (not a shoulder stock).
Steaming pile of fugking schit. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It's a Sig P516 G2 piston gun with a ten inch barrel, classified a handgun, and sporting an arm brace (not a shoulder stock).
Steaming pile of fugking schit. Travis Oh, I'm cut to the quick. You've really let your mean little boy out to play tonight.
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I could sort of like the idea of a bullpup for a HD gun, easier to use in tight quarters, etc. For a general purpose rifle? ummm.... The price keeps dropping, so at some point I may try a Kel-tec shotgun. One of the local shops has a Sig 716 pistol (yes, a .308 pistol with a 12" barrel) and the Sig brace. I suspect one shot, even a miss, would send the bad guys running.
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true, my local shop has one of these 308's as well, there are no bounds to foolishness. The Tavor is short that is a good point, nevertheless I shall stick to my regular DI DD, Colt etc guns I know that they work fine and I know how to make them work....
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