Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles Well maybe I am not seeing it yet the IWI Tavor

By 1.5" AR do you mean it groups that size at a hundred yards?

As for the trigger, like I said, I don't recommend even buying the Tavor unless you know from the start that it needs a Geissele trigger to replace the one it comes with. It's not the same rifle once that's replaced.

PS Apparently the IDF thinks it's enough better than the AR to give up the free ones they can get from the U.S. and manufacture enough Tavors to do a total switch over. I may not approve of the behavior of the State of Israel, but few will question the seriousness of their defense forces, and its ability to evaluate weapons systems in the field.

PPS I believe all Tavors are manufactured in the U.S. by Americans in Israeli owned facilities. The military versions are then sent to Israel, and the dozen or so other nations currently switching to them, while the semi-auto versions get sold domestically.

Look at it.



Travis

Looks can be deceiving. Look at the Glock.

The Tavor is perfect for the niche it was intended..which is...bilking money out of gullible gun aficionado's.

LOL, oh come on now. Do I detect a slight case of sour grapes?

Show me them clearing a jam.

This is where the BUll PUPs failed in the carbine classes I took.

One was a Tavor, one was a Sig(?), one was the Ke-Tec 308.

We sent up different failrues (double feed, etc.) and they were more difficult.

Show me a forced transition to the opposite side of the gun, with the case ejecting into your body.

Also, a right sided gun being forced into shooting from the left side in the middle of fight if FINE for a AR.

The TAVOR, not so much. This is what caused jams that we did NOT set up in class.

BMT

BTW-The Kel-Tec was very cool with the front ejection (shot right or left fine). But still sucked at clearing jams/malfunctions.

BMT

"The manual of arms (the operation of the gun and drills to mitigate malfunctions) is in principle very similar to that of an AR-15. Malfunction drills work just like an AR. Yes, some controls are in different places, but the steps that have to be done when it goes click instead of bang are identical. The only thing that I had a hard time getting used to was locking the bolt open. Jonathan, on the other hand had no trouble with this. In the end, it’s no easier or harder than an AR. Just different." Link

Not me dude, I am 100% into AR's, I would not even attempt to use something that was not almost instinctive to me at this point.

Is this comment supposed to make sense?




Travis

Completely understandable.

I've owned and enjoyed ARs since the late 1970s. Haven't been without one since. The one in this picture is AR number five for me. It's a Sig P516 G2 piston gun with a ten inch barrel, classified a handgun, and sporting an arm brace (not a shoulder stock). It's also sporting an AimPoint Micro T2 with a Larue lever-detachable base, a set of Troy Industries flip up sights, and an AGL Combat Trigger, which I love.

Junk.




Travis

Oh, I forgot. To you, a Glock is the image of perfection. Well, I like them, but I don't think they exactly exude the look of quality, at least in the traditional sense.

Nice comparison. I see the coolness factor in the Tavor now. Is the pistol a black out

Both are 5.56 NATO. Switching the Tavor to Blackout or 9mm is easy peasy. In 9mm it uses Colt stick mags.

If you're trying to make no sense, you're on a roll.



Travis

Steaming pile of fugking schit.





Travis

Oh, I'm cut to the quick.

You've really let your mean little boy out to play tonight.

I could sort of like the idea of a bullpup for a HD gun, easier to use in tight quarters, etc. For a general purpose rifle? ummm....

The price keeps dropping, so at some point I may try a Kel-tec shotgun.

One of the local shops has a Sig 716 pistol (yes, a .308 pistol with a 12" barrel) and the Sig brace. I suspect one shot, even a miss, would send the bad guys running.

true, my local shop has one of these 308's as well, there are no bounds to foolishness. The Tavor is short that is a good point, nevertheless I shall stick to my regular DI DD, Colt etc guns I know that they work fine and I know how to make them work....