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Interesting thread. I missed it the first time around.

I've always believed but you always wonder. I wondered and one day I asked my Dad what he thought about heaven and hell and he said:

"I was like you. I wondered if any of this is true until I went and sat with my Ma in the hospital while we waited for her brother to die"

Dad's uncle had been in a coma for weeks and it was time for him to go.

I asked "what happened?" and my Dad said that all of a sudden his uncle (who hadn't moved) sat straight up in bed with his arms raised in the air and shouted "MAMA!!!"

Then he peacefully laid down and passed away.

This woman thinks her personal anecdotal experience trumps everyone else's? Typical of those on the left.

I thought this was a. ".270s only" thread.

I forgot the amount of laughs he brought.

It's postmodernism where the only truth is what one decides is true for them based on how they feel.

There sure are some nutjobs on 24 hour thats for damn sure.....

I suspect Doc's purpose is not to convince or change folks, but to simply relay what he has seen along with some others.

interpret it how you will.

And if you disagree, thats cool and just like the rest of the threads, move along.

My mom's brother and a great aunt both died in 1998, both from different types of cancer. Both were very religious and very good people.

The day my aunt died, my mother and cousin and his wife were in the room with my aunt. She woke up and said "oh look at all the beautiful people in here!", and like I said there were only 3 visible people in the room. Later she asked to sit in a chair and died singing hymns.

My uncle went through all the chemo treatments and never once threw up or even got sick. When Hospice was called, they checked him into the hospital. The nurses had to ask my mother questions as he wasn't married. The nurse asked what meds he was on for pain and when my mother replied nothing she couldn't believe it. Right before he died my mom said he opened his eyes and was laughing saying " it's soo beautiful!"

There is a Heaven and hell in my humble opinion.

Watched a Nat Geo show the other day called “Return from the Dead.”
Every near-death experience has been easily repeated in the lab.
Name any NDE sensation and they have done it by tricking the brain into partially shutting down.
The show is scheduled to repeat Sunday morning.

When my Mom passed she was seeing all manner of folks, that no one else could see for about 4 days, while in the hospital and her first, and last, night in a beautiful hospice suite.

The hospice representative remarked , "it won't be long now" when I mentioned her unseen visitors. It seems it's common for many. Just before I left her hospice room around 10, for what would be her last night, she pointed and winked to a little girl I could not see. When they called me at 5ish the next morning to say she had passed, I went right over and found her with the most peaceful beautiful smile on her face with both of her hands under her head.

Of course, I wished I had spent that night with her as I had the previous several in the hospital, but seeing her the way she left this world, told me she was at perfect peace and that was the greatest gift she ever gave me.

Certainly,both Heaven and Hell are real and they will become the most impactful reality to all. They are also forever. Choose wisely.

My critique of Doc's original post would be that clearly, a sudden arrhythmia of the type he describes puts the brain into some kinda SOMETHING; as evidenced by his statement that there's 7 seconds of oxygen (I.E., consciousness) that is going unused so to speak.

A brain experiencing a seizure or whatever it is that's happening there is not a reliable witness. Clearly, this isn't "death". It's a loss of consciousness precipitated by a massive nervous system jolt. Which sounds unpleasant as HELL, which could certainly explain why some experience, well, HELL.

Or not. I try to keep an open mind. But I don't see what Doc posted as "truth" per se; I do see strong indications of it affirming previously held beliefs that the good doctor had.

I see the same in you.

EXCEPT for the NDE of kids. Kids that don't know, have never seen, know no names, etc....

But for those that don't believe there are plenty of other threads going on......

Bristoe, could you explain that?

I'm saying that clearly the brain isn't "dying" in the cases Doc relates; it's instead going into a state of some sort. A seizure or similar.

That's not really an affirmation of my beliefs; it's more a statement of physical reality... no?

I'm a believer in heaven and hell but I'm real skeptical of all the near death stuff. It doesn't seem scriptural, and I think there is tremendous possibility for spiritual deceit.

What I can say. I have not seen as many pass as Doc.

I feel in my line, I've seen more than most pass. In fact quite a dang few.

the quote of why SOME experience hell... that experience seems RARE. VERY RARE. I figured I'd never see it. I've talked to other doctors about it ,they agree its VERY rare.

I can understand the skepticism about the good NDE from most adults, but I'd bet cash, and lots of it, that if the jolt produces a bad feeling, it must do it well under 1% of the time...

But then some feel democrats don't want your guns either?

Clinically, damage starts at ... 5-6 minutes deprivation IIRC. I have been in on revivals that were out longer than that for sure, and the brain certainly has been dying.

Hell to be precise once you start to loose blood or oxygen, you are dying. You may not DIE, but you certainly are headed that way..

Think about all the crazy things you've dreamed about. Consider how something as simple as cold medicine, the wrong vitamins, or what someone watched on TV before bed can mess with their dreams....then extrapolate what almost dying could do to one's brain state.....

Our reasons may be different, but I don't grant any revelatory power to near death experiences either.

You said Doc has preconceived ideas,...you have preconceived ideas.

As for Physical reality,..you didn't give any scientific explanation of physical reality.

You just kind of stammered around saying, "Well,...this happened,..then that happened,..and then the other thing happened because of something,..but basically it just sounds like Doc has some preconceived ideas."

You've got an opinion,...that's all.

Of course, having said what I said, I know of someone who right before she died woke up and spoke very clearly of her unborn grandson and having already met him. Maybe not that unusual except that her daughter hadn't told anyone she was pregnant yet and the dying old lady had Alzheimer's and had been out of it for years.

Don't forget that Doc himself said there's 7 seconds of consciousness (oxygen) in the brain if the heart stops. That's the physical reality I'm talking about. Physically, someone who goes into arrhythmia then is shocked back to a normal sinus rhythm mere seconds later- again, as stated by Doc in his OP- that person did not die. They may have experienced something, but death it was not, at least in terms of the physical realities that Doc himself outlines.

I don't deny the possibility of heaven and hell. But what a brain experiences during a time that all hell is breaking loose in the autonomous nervous system, AND their brain goes into some sort of "state" that clearly not physical death, is hardly proof.