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Kansas - Cattle, grain, oil/gas Oklahoma - Cattle, grain, oil/gas Texas - Cattle, oil/gas, coastline Arkansas - water Louisiana - Coastline, oil/gas, controls the Mississippi Arizona - Outpost to guard our western flank against the Kalipornians trying the reverse the Grapes of Wrath. I'll stay here in the northernmost colony.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
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Forget the pipe dreams and stop wasting your energy on fantasy.
Forget your constitution? The states are sovereign. They are not subsidiaries of the national governments nor creatures of it. Didn't you say the other day that the Constitution was irrelevant now? Or do you just make bullshit statements at any given time to support your bullshit? found it: You can talk about the Constitution but most haven't read it and many don't agree with it. We are truly post Constitutional. The constitution does not serve as a serious barrier to government action. We may as well accept that and move forward with someone who can advance the ball towards our goal.
It is irrelevant but sovereignty is a matter of law and not necessarily fact.
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It is irrelevant but sovereignty is a matter of law and not necessarily fact.
I think it's time for you to take a break. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It is irrelevant but sovereignty is a matter of law and not necessarily fact.
I think it's time for you to take a break. Dave By law the states are sovereign. Disagree with that?
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In 2016?
Yes. I disagree with that.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It is irrelevant but sovereignty is a matter of law and not necessarily fact.
I think it's time for you to take a break. Dave By law the states are sovereign. Disagree with that? The current admin will not seal the national borders. Our nation is no longer sovereign. What makes you think the states are?
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Secede-in-place. Put the run on those commie bastards and make them vacate the premises.
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
We are all Rhodesians now.
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The country can't be saved because conservatives are cannibals, and apart from gutting each other, they won't get their hands dirty concerning lieberals.
Once lieberals get the upper hand, everything will change nearly instantly. They will not give anyone a chance to regroup, ponder, or organize. They can't and they know it. The internet and most communications will be quickly abridged and thoroughly monitored, guns will be gone and possession likely a capital crime, rationing will go into place, old people will face genocide, as will staunch conservatives, naysayers, and anyone else opposing the agenda, and a brave new world will be in place.
But rather than doing something now, while we still can and very likely the last time we can, we wait for the trains to start running to the ovens.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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In 2016?
Yes. I disagree with that.
Dave Has the law changed?
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No. Not at all. The Civil War never took place. Have you checked on a navy or an air force on Amazon yet? Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The country can't be saved because conservatives are cannibals, and apart from gutting each other, they won't get their hands dirty concerning lieberals.
Once lieberals get the upper hand, everything will change nearly instantly. They will not give anyone a chance to regroup, ponder, or organize. They can't and they know it. The internet and most communications will be quickly abridged and thoroughly monitored, guns will be gone and possession likely a capital crime, rationing will go into place, old people will face genocide, as will staunch conservatives, naysayers, and anyone else opposing the agenda, and a brave new world will be in place.
But rather than doing something now, while we still can and very likely the last time we can, we wait for the trains to start running to the ovens. Says the retard that cries about Trump all day. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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No. Not at all. The Civil War never took place. Have you checked on a navy or an air force on Amazon yet? Dave What about all the case law since the Civil War? Can the president order a governor or any state official to enforce federal law?
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the problem we face now with any good succession effort is the carnivores in the world that would eat us up. think of mexico, canada, china and russia. maybe a few other's late out of the gate.
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What about all the case law since the Civil War? Can the president order a governor or any state official to enforce federal law?
No. Not at all. That's why the states do whatever they want. They're sovereign. Dave
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the problem we face now with any good succession effort is the carnivores in the world that would eat us up. think of mexico, canada, china and russia. maybe a few other's late out of the gate. Nothing gets past this guy. ^^^^ Dave
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What about all the case law since the Civil War? Can the president order a governor or any state official to enforce federal law?
No. Not at all. That's why the states do whatever they want. They're sovereign. Dave Its called dual sovereignty.
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The Civil War was fought over states' rights; to wit: did states have the right to secede after they agreed to become part of the United States? Lincoln held the irrevocable view: it was a one-way deal; one you're in you can't leave, just like Hotel California. Keeping in mind that I'm trying to remember what I've learned better than 30 years ago in a 500 series con law course, I believe the US Supreme Court sided with Lincoln, which doesn't mean squat because the supreme court metes out political agenda, not justice.
Lincoln told the south that it could retain slavery if it agreed to remain within the union. Lincoln said that blacks and whites could not coexist. Lincoln had at least three plans to repatriate freed slaves. So Lincoln's war was definitively not over slavery. Lincoln was every bit as racist as was Jefferson Davis and Cecil Rhodes.
The fact of the matter is the Lincoln's war was 100% unnecessary. He should've let the south secede. It would have saved at least 1.5 million American lives. Within a decade, the south would've come begging to rejoin the union. The south was agrarian. The north was industrializing. Worse, because of slavery, much of Europe refused to buy southern cotton. The south would've been staved into submission.
In the end, Lincoln got himself a monument in Washington, D.C., and his mug on Mt. Rushmore when he oughta have been erased from our nation's history.
The die was cast during the Civil War: states have no right to secede. That's sounds awfully ironic since it was states that gave the federal government right to exist.
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What about all the case law since the Civil War? Can the president order a governor or any state official to enforce federal law?
No. Not at all. That's why the states do whatever they want. They're sovereign. Dave Its called dual sovereignty. Hey, I remember than concept. Didn't we used to have dual sovereignty and a thing that was known as the 10th Amendment?
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Its called dual sovereignty. Oh. Well then I guess I'll go back to having illegal aliens manufacture suppressors in my garage while I snort down this 8 ball just before I punch a queer for being a queer on my way to helping our governor shut down and outlaw abortions within our state. SOVEREIGN! In exchange for your stellar legal advice I offer an assist on building your navy: https://www.amazon.com/2-4GHz-Remot...69730513&sr=8-1&keywords=rc+boatDave
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What about all the case law since the Civil War? Can the president order a governor or any state official to enforce federal law?
No. Not at all. That's why the states do whatever they want. They're sovereign. Dave Its called dual sovereignty. Hey, I remember than concept. Didn't we used to have dual sovereignty and a thing that was known as the 10th Amendment? We still do. The main way the Feds get compliance is by taking tax dollars from citizens and then giving them back to the states. So while they can't order a state official to do something, they can withhold that finding when he doesn't. So, what will happen when the federal government can't do that because the dollar is not worth anything? Nullification is already being practiced again as well. Colorado and other states bucked the Feds and legalized Mary Jane despite all kinds of threats and warnings from the Feds.
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