Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Will you be ready to leave as in secede

I'll stay here in the northernmost colony.

It is irrelevant but sovereignty is a matter of law and not necessarily fact.

I think it's time for you to take a break.




Dave

By law the states are sovereign. Disagree with that?

In 2016?

Yes. I disagree with that.




Dave

The current admin will not seal the national borders. Our nation is no longer sovereign. What makes you think the states are?

Secede-in-place. Put the run on those commie bastards and make them vacate the premises.

The country can't be saved because conservatives are cannibals, and apart from gutting each other, they won't get their hands dirty concerning lieberals.

Once lieberals get the upper hand, everything will change nearly instantly. They will not give anyone a chance to regroup, ponder, or organize. They can't and they know it. The internet and most communications will be quickly abridged and thoroughly monitored, guns will be gone and possession likely a capital crime, rationing will go into place, old people will face genocide, as will staunch conservatives, naysayers, and anyone else opposing the agenda, and a brave new world will be in place.

But rather than doing something now, while we still can and very likely the last time we can, we wait for the trains to start running to the ovens.

Has the law changed?

No. Not at all. The Civil War never took place.

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Dave

Says the retard that cries about Trump all day.



Dave

What about all the case law since the Civil War? Can the president order a governor or any state official to enforce federal law?

the problem we face now with any good succession effort is the carnivores in the world that would eat us up. think of mexico, canada, china and russia. maybe a few other's late out of the gate.

No. Not at all.

That's why the states do whatever they want.

They're sovereign.




Dave

Nothing gets past this guy. ^^^^




Dave

Its called dual sovereignty.

The Civil War was fought over states' rights; to wit: did states have the right to secede after they agreed to become part of the United States? Lincoln held the irrevocable view: it was a one-way deal; one you're in you can't leave, just like Hotel California. Keeping in mind that I'm trying to remember what I've learned better than 30 years ago in a 500 series con law course, I believe the US Supreme Court sided with Lincoln, which doesn't mean squat because the supreme court metes out political agenda, not justice.

Lincoln told the south that it could retain slavery if it agreed to remain within the union. Lincoln said that blacks and whites could not coexist. Lincoln had at least three plans to repatriate freed slaves. So Lincoln's war was definitively not over slavery. Lincoln was every bit as racist as was Jefferson Davis and Cecil Rhodes.

The fact of the matter is the Lincoln's war was 100% unnecessary. He should've let the south secede. It would have saved at least 1.5 million American lives. Within a decade, the south would've come begging to rejoin the union. The south was agrarian. The north was industrializing. Worse, because of slavery, much of Europe refused to buy southern cotton. The south would've been staved into submission.

In the end, Lincoln got himself a monument in Washington, D.C., and his mug on Mt. Rushmore when he oughta have been erased from our nation's history.

The die was cast during the Civil War: states have no right to secede. That's sounds awfully ironic since it was states that gave the federal government right to exist.

Hey, I remember than concept. Didn't we used to have dual sovereignty and a thing that was known as the 10th Amendment?

Oh.

Well then I guess I'll go back to having illegal aliens manufacture suppressors in my garage while I snort down this 8 ball just before I punch a queer for being a queer on my way to helping our governor shut down and outlaw abortions within our state.

SOVEREIGN!

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Dave

We still do. The main way the Feds get compliance is by taking tax dollars from citizens and then giving them back to the states. So while they can't order a state official to do something, they can withhold that finding when he doesn't.

So, what will happen when the federal government can't do that because the dollar is not worth anything?

Nullification is already being practiced again as well. Colorado and other states bucked the Feds and legalized Mary Jane despite all kinds of threats and warnings from the Feds.