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Being a self appointed expert on any religion is a huge waste of brain cells, just like being an expert on witchcraft. Ironically, those to whom this statement most applies won't get it.
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I know what you mean about the differences between the O T and the N T. Some of each were, I believe, definitely inspired by God. It's just too obvious to miss a lot of political agenda in the writing of the Old Testament and in the writing AND selection of the New. The O T Jews saw religion and government as being one and the same. Imagine the atrocities our present government could visit on the populace if all they had to do was say;"Thus saith the Lord" and that was the end of the matter. A man can't fault Paul, a legalistic Jew, for being unable to accept the idea of a new type of "church" wherein Jesus would deal with His adherents directly, via the Holy Spirit, rather than thru a Priesthood or a body of Elders. So...... Paul gave us most all of our "theology". As far as "selection" goes, I think it is telling that ONLY the KJV has the "and these Three are One." addition to the verse about The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. To insist that ALL the "bible" is without error and true in all respects is insulting to those portions that are deserving of that status. The God that would depend on frail humans to transmit His wishes to all the rest of humanity would be a much smaller God than the one I know. THAT God would truly be "the Author of confusion".  Marconites saw the Old and New testaments as belonging to two completely different religions.
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Being a self appointed expert on any religion is a huge waste of brain cells, just like being an expert on witchcraft. Ironically, those to whom this statement most applies won't get it. I don't think any Christian considers themselves self appointed experts. It is however a requirement of a Christian to be able to answer honest questions about their faith. The fact that you would liken Christianity to witchcraft shows just how lost you are.
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From a literary standpoint, it would make sense to let the Gospels be the last four "books" of the O T and Acts be the beginning of the N T.
The Gospels would spell the end of Judaism with the arrival of the Messiah [unrecognized] and Acts of the Apostles would provide a basis for the Letters making up the "new replacement religion".
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I know what you mean about the differences between the O T and the N T. Some of each were, I believe, definitely inspired by God. It's just too obvious to miss a lot of political agenda in the writing of the Old Testament and in the writing AND selection of the New. The O T Jews saw religion and government as being one and the same. Imagine the atrocities our present government could visit on the populace if all they had to do was say;"Thus saith the Lord" and that was the end of the matter. A man can't fault Paul, a legalistic Jew, for being unable to accept the idea of a new type of "church" wherein Jesus would deal with His adherents directly, via the Holy Spirit, rather than thru a Priesthood or a body of Elders. So...... Paul gave us most all of our "theology". As far as "selection" goes, I think it is telling that ONLY the KJV has the "and these Three are One." addition to the verse about The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. To insist that ALL the "bible" is without error and true in all respects is insulting to those portions that are deserving of that status. The God that would depend on frail humans to transmit His wishes to all the rest of humanity would be a much smaller God than the one I know. THAT God would truly be "the Author of confusion". Marconites saw the Old and New testaments as belonging to two completely different religions. One is the fulfillment of the other. Nevertheless you can't take OT scriptures and apply them to us today. All the penalty of OT sins has been paid.We are not judged according to OT law and OT penalties have no bearing on us at all.
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From a literary standpoint, it would make sense to let the Gospels be the last four "books" of the O T and Acts be the beginning of the N T.
The Gospels would spell the end of Judaism with the arrival of the Messiah [unrecognized] and Acts of the Apostles would provide a basis for the Letters making up the "new replacement religion". Yes, pretty much. What I see is Paul teaching this new doctrine of grace and personal relationship through letters to the churches.
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It is however a requirement of a Christian to be able to answer honest questions about their faith. I'd say that might me true for a "Paul Christian" but certainly not a requirement for a "Jesus Christian".
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Ten pages. A little slow this go around.
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It is however a requirement of a Christian to be able to answer honest questions about their faith. I'd say that might me true for a "Paul Christian" but certainly not a requirement for a "Jesus Christian". 1st Peter: 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in you hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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From a literary standpoint, it would make sense to let the Gospels be the last four "books" of the O T and Acts be the beginning of the N T.
The Gospels would spell the end of Judaism with the arrival of the Messiah [unrecognized] and Acts of the Apostles would provide a basis for the Letters making up the "new replacement religion". But many of the letters pre-date the Gosphels.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I know what you mean about the differences between the O T and the N T. Some of each were, I believe, definitely inspired by God. It's just too obvious to miss a lot of political agenda in the writing of the Old Testament and in the writing AND selection of the New. The O T Jews saw religion and government as being one and the same. Imagine the atrocities our present government could visit on the populace if all they had to do was say;"Thus saith the Lord" and that was the end of the matter. A man can't fault Paul, a legalistic Jew, for being unable to accept the idea of a new type of "church" wherein Jesus would deal with His adherents directly, via the Holy Spirit, rather than thru a Priesthood or a body of Elders. So...... Paul gave us most all of our "theology". As far as "selection" goes, I think it is telling that ONLY the KJV has the "and these Three are One." addition to the verse about The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. To insist that ALL the "bible" is without error and true in all respects is insulting to those portions that are deserving of that status. The God that would depend on frail humans to transmit His wishes to all the rest of humanity would be a much smaller God than the one I know. THAT God would truly be "the Author of confusion". Marconites saw the Old and New testaments as belonging to two completely different religions. One is the fulfillment of the other. Nevertheless you can't take OT scriptures and apply them to us today. All the penalty of OT sins has been paid.We are not judged according to OT law and OT penalties have no bearing on us at all. Compare and contrast the character of the two gods in the Old, and New Testaments. The wrathful, vengeful God of the OT, is not of the same Character as Jesus Meek and mild in the NT.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Being a self appointed expert on any religion is a huge waste of brain cells, just like being an expert on witchcraft. Ironically, those to whom this statement most applies won't get it. I don't think any Christian considers themselves self appointed experts. It is however a requirement of a Christian to be able to answer honest questions about their faith. The fact that you would liken Christianity to witchcraft shows just how lost you are. Woosh.
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Give God a chance. I see Him everywhere in nature. The birth of a child, in the grandeur of the Rocky Mountains, in the Deserts of the southwest, in the rivers and forests of the east, in the heavens at night, in the order of everything from the interval of the ocean waves, to the number of ears on a stalk of corn. This stuff didn't just happen.
Give credit where credit is due. God is also in cancer, Katrina, Ebola, earthquakes and subsequent tsunamis, Alzheimer's Disease, drought, bubonic plaque, typhoid, cholera, influenza and Internet porn.
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From a literary standpoint, it would make sense to let the Gospels be the last four "books" of the O T and Acts be the beginning of the N T.
The Gospels would spell the end of Judaism with the arrival of the Messiah [unrecognized] and Acts of the Apostles would provide a basis for the Letters making up the "new replacement religion". But many of the letters pre-date the Gosphels. Probably NOT. Late dating the gospels is mainly due to NOT believing Jesus could forecast the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. It really makes no difference since the EVENTS related in the gospels occurred prior to the letters, so - still speaking from a literary standpoint - they should end the O T. Right?
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Give God a chance. I see Him everywhere in nature. The birth of a child, in the grandeur of the Rocky Mountains, in the Deserts of the southwest, in the rivers and forests of the east, in the heavens at night, in the order of everything from the interval of the ocean waves, to the number of ears on a stalk of corn. This stuff didn't just happen.
Give credit where credit is due. God is also in cancer, Katrina, Ebola, earthquakes and subsequent tsunamis, Alzheimer's Disease, drought, bubonic plaque, typhoid, cholera, influenza and Internet porn. Taken together...... a good example of Pantheism.
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From a literary standpoint, it would make sense to let the Gospels be the last four "books" of the O T and Acts be the beginning of the N T.
The Gospels would spell the end of Judaism with the arrival of the Messiah [unrecognized] and Acts of the Apostles would provide a basis for the Letters making up the "new replacement religion". But many of the letters pre-date the Gosphels. Probably NOT. Late dating the gospels is mainly due to NOT believing Jesus could forecast the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD. It really makes no difference since the EVENTS related in the gospels occurred prior to the letters, so - still speaking from a literary standpoint - they should end the O T. Right? Where does Paul quote the Gosphels, If they were written first, don't you think Paul would of known about then and quoted them?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Ten pages. A little slow this go around. Yeah but I think they're pretty close to getting it figured out this time. 😉
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Compare and contrast the character of the two gods in the Old, and New Testaments. The wrathful, vengeful God of the OT, is not of the same Character as Jesus Meek and mild in the NT. You are reading what PEOPLE thought about God... in both instances. They are still not reconciled. God is gonna be God no matter what different people think about Him. A man's view of God doesn't define God..... it defines the man.
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Give God a chance. I see Him everywhere in nature. The birth of a child, in the grandeur of the Rocky Mountains, in the Deserts of the southwest, in the rivers and forests of the east, in the heavens at night, in the order of everything from the interval of the ocean waves, to the number of ears on a stalk of corn. This stuff didn't just happen.
Give credit where credit is due. God is also in cancer, Katrina, Ebola, earthquakes and subsequent tsunamis, Alzheimer's Disease, drought, bubonic plaque, typhoid, cholera, influenza and Internet porn. "Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world..." ![[Linked Image]](https://www.britainfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/SYRIA-BOY-2.jpg) "God, why is there only one set of footprints in the sand?" "Oh my child, that is where I let you drown"
It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...
Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.
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Compare and contrast the character of the two gods in the Old, and New Testaments. The wrathful, vengeful God of the OT, is not of the same Character as Jesus Meek and mild in the NT. You are reading what PEOPLE thought about God... in both instances. They are still not reconciled. God is gonna be God no matter what different people think about Him. A man's view of God doesn't define God..... it defines the man. Words have meaning. That not only applies to the Constitution, but also to the Bible.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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