Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Hey you athiests...

Of course I do.

Let's just assume you have kids. You're betting the life of you and your children that you are right, as likely your children follow the same path as you.

Like I say, some day we'll see. If I'm wrong, I haven't lost anything. Can you say that?

First off..... I shouldn't have used the word "idiot", I meant it in a generic sense, not you personally, nevertheless I do apologize to you.

With THAT out of the way, I'll say you need to get your "guesser" overhauled because you could not have pegged me more wrong. I've posted on many of these type threads the following:

I believe that every man, if he is to experience all that God has to offer, must come to terms with his Creator AFTER the man becomes an adult. His belief in God will not sustain him when calamity strikes if he doesn't consider the possibility that God DOESN'T exist. Clinging to a childhood idea of God is far from meeting the Creator.

A God incapable of revealing Himself to me is of no use to me. But the Creator of all that is absolutely can reveal himself to His only rational creature, Man.

BUT, the Man has to cast aside ALL his preconceptions of who God is and ASK, not demand. That's why so many don't do it until all their human resources have failed them.

A lot of bible thumpers take issue with this approach, saying that Satan might show up, and that proves my point about childhood ideas of God. They even throw out bible verses to back up their claim.

On the one hand, they claim there is only One God, and on the other hand they are afraid an honest seeker may find the "wrong" God.

And they don't believe me when I say that this Christian life is the only easy life I've known.

I was just kidding about you meaning your condescending remarks in a nice way. Religious people are usually pretty vicious and self righteous when you don't agree with them. I do have kids and Grandkids and I never told them anything about religion and especially that they would burn in Hell for eternity if they weren't true believers like yourself. Anybody that tells a child something like that is guilty of child abuse. I let my kids make their own choices and they both grew up to be very caring moral adults and are great parents. Whether they are religious or not had nothing to do with the way they turned out. I can accept that the life we have on this Earth is all there is and don't worry about having an afterlife or burning in Hell after I die. I've had a great life so far and have no regrets.

You need to drop the religious thing. Muslims are religious too, ya know?

What if you're wrong though? You didn't answer that.

My answer is another question. What if you're wrong? I'm not worried about going to Heaven or Hell. Muslims believe they're right too and that you belong in Hell. They want to kill you so you'll you get there as soon as possible. All religions are cults, some are just worse than others.

Not teaching your children about religion and God doesn't give them the tools to make an informed decision. Withholding valuable information in order to hide the truth or obfuscate reality so that it doesn't interfere with your world view doesn't promote knowledge, it fosters ignorance. That ignorance doesn't make you or your kids or grandkids enlightened, it makes them ignorant and it makes you guilty of child neglect. 😉

It's quite common for atheists to have high opinions of themselves, because their ignorance is so all encompassing they can't comprehend the totality of their ignorance thereby falsely affirming their superiority.

If I'm wrong, then I've lost nothing. Already state that.

Now answer my question with an answer if you don't mind....what if I'm right and you're wrong?

Agree with everything you said.

That is a fun and profound post. It comes up to the level of what I posted from .com history the other day.

this whole thread is beginning to take on the cast of dereliction of duty if the relevant parents don't take on the std isue religion of the society and nationality into which they were borne. the hindus by extension has an obligation to speak to their children about the availability of lord ganesh. the buddhists speak to the buddha consciousness, YHWH followers to him, jesus followers, allah followers all have their internalized logics that they believe and are willing to die for (well, some might be willing to die, others not so much).

did the ancient Christians do good forcing the native americans to be forced to adopt christianity. how about the jews being forced to jian up with the christians. how about the muslims that will sharpen their knives if they run into heathens that won't convert.

whew, there's lot's to speak about here.

Really?

Of course you do!

Why wouldn't he? Isn't that your position? Don't you completely dismiss billions of believers over the last 4000 years or slightly more? Don't you consider yourself as smarter and more enlightened than all of them?

I won't lose anything if I'm wrong. Being the true believer you're the one that has something to lose. You might go to that real hot place for eternity.

I have you on ignore for good reason but are you still in that mental institution? You still sound dangerous to me. I think they let you out too soon.

That's where you are wrong. On the day of judgement there are only two groups, the saved who will spend eternity with God and the lost who will be cast out into darkness. There is no third group who are just on their own.

Just because you believe in something doesn't make it a fact. Facts are not created by majorities.

Please prove this

I agree that the Bible has it's place in a believers life. Many people in third world countries have been saved and live better lives for the Lord than most of the churched in the West and have never held a Bible, nor could they read it if they had one.

Sorry if I took you wrong, Gene. I've never doubted what side of the corral you'll be on.

Sounds like a few "christians" as well.

Replace the word ignorance with arrogance and you just described a lot of "christians" to a tee.