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I live in a small town, nothing like the crime of big cities. I am 6'2, 245 run 3 miles 2to3 times a week, and lift. I still do not go to the door after dark without a pistol tucked into my waistband. To many home invasions of more then one methhead, once the door is unlocked they bum rush. To many in my area have been left for dead or dead.

I got blasted by a cadre of the "popular girls" here at the fire for stating precisely that a few years ago. It was twisted into my being afraid of girl scouts selling cookies.

Twat has been the bane of men since time began.
I don't live in the ghetto, but times have changed. That safeway store with the pharmacy robbed multiple times is near my house. About a year ago a 8month pregnant woman walking out of the store had a gun stuck up to her belly by a guy wanting to do a carjacking. My wife had just gotten into her car at a different time at that store, doors automatically locked. Guy starts pounding on the window you have a flat tire. 1. wasn't true, 2. he had no idea that 78year old gramma was packing.
What WE have started doing is i drop her off at the front of the store and watch her enter. Pick her up the same way.
I sit in the car and watch the entrance, as close as i can get. But i am going to change some things. Lately i started carrying a colt cobra again, but limited in rounds. I am going to start taking with us a hi cap something for when i am waiting in the car. It is an issue. One of the current things is Younger people cruising the parking lots on skateboards, bicycles. Finding say an older couple loading good stuff into a suv, they signal their buddies in a van which rolls up to make the hit.
You have to have multiple issues as a juvvie, to get locked up for any amount of time, so the birddog isn't risking much.
with woman, they will leave at a gas pump purse on the seat, and proceed to pump gas. perfect time for a snatch and grab. The meth freaks around a restaurant or other high traffic area will spot a target and be on you real quick.
I have had that happen multiple times. We live near a major freeway, the black canyon, the underpasses/drainage canals had people housekeeping in them, until we got the city to grate them. Not uncommon to find needles, drug stuff, used condoms etc in the street or parking lots. Awareness is a huge thing. My daughter won't get out of the car at a gas station and keeps her doors locked until she surveys the area. She has had men reach through a partially open window at same. Women are particularly bad with cellphones in their ear all the time, driving, getting gas, you name it.
With the drug availability, the problem is just getting worse. My understanding is that around prescott, meth has slid to second place, black tar heroin is cheaper. Thank you mexico.

I got blasted by a cadre of the "popular girls" here at the fire for stating precisely that a few years ago. It was twisted into my being afraid of girl scouts selling cookies.

You will not get the fight you want. You will get the fight you get, and then have to deal with it.

Personally when discussing these things I try to remind people that "average" fights are in my experience a total fallacy.

Your opponents are not going to dictate the manner in which they attack you, based on what concealed carry gun you have under your jacket.

Plus, while I advocate J Frames for pocket carry, I sure as heck don't advocate them as a primary or sole handgun for most situations. It is exceedingly easy to pull a trigger 5 times just dealing with one threat, let alone multiples.

Additionally, while one of those 5 rounds may actually kill your attacker, it may take a while, and odds are pretty likely that you are not going to get much of an immediate reaction.

It may take 30 seconds or more for a visible reaction to be evident. That is a LONG time, and many things may change in that course of time. Most competent guys I know who carry a J Frame can empty one in well under 3 seconds.

In the first 30 seconds you may just find that the person you put a few rounds into has just stabbed you multiple times, you may have had a hand or arm receive significant trauma, and no longer be functioning properly, etc, etc.

Anybody ever practice one handed reloads of a J Frame? How about one handed reloads of a J frame when you are shaking, covered in liquid, and still have a situation that is dynamic/rapidly evolving.

These are all reasons why most knowledgeable folks with previous experience being involved in shootings carry high capacity semi autos.

Again, as it has been said before, consider that the reason to carry a high capacity semi auto is not to shoot more, but to manipulate less.

Instead of spending time reloading, you can use your hands to shield loved ones, open doors, block doors, get in a vehicle, or apply a tourniquet or other first aid/trauma care.

A good example is the crossroads mall attack, where the Muslim guy dressed as a security guard attacked and stabbed multiple people.

He was shot over and over and over. He got shot, fell down got up and attacked again and again. That is reality.

Watch here and think about if what you carry would be sufficient:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRgKglQy0o


There are actually numerous self defense shooting videos where the defender shoots his attacker and there is very little if any visible reaction initially.

Those are with just one attacker. Add multiple attackers and the odds of calmly shooting 2 then giving a 3rd guy "one in the liver" while remaining upright and unscathed is in my opinion exceedingly unrealistic and wishful thinking.

Put away the ego and be prepared to deal with the very messy and less than optimal world of reality.

Additionally when dealing with people at contact distances, pretty much every time the fight goes to the ground. You really need to have some ground fighting skills, both with and without weapons. One should have the ability to shoot from the ground, as well as draw from the ground, in addition to knowing some weapon retention.


Frankly I think the very VAST majority of CCW folks and gun enthusiasts would be FAR better off to attend some ground fighting/shooting classes, rather than buy another pretty pistol that they can play "show and tell" with, both to their friends, and online buddies.

Force on force training with simunitions is a perfect example.

Learn how to manage unknown contacts, and deal with evolving situations. The reality is that even in training, it never goes as smooth as it does while envisioning how you would handle it. Watching a video of yourself and your performance during unknown contact management and simunitions training will very quickly reveal weak areas that can be addressed.



That was long winded, but if it encourages some critical thinking then maybe it was not a waste of time.

I live about 1.5 hrs from the Crossroads Mall in St. Cloud where the knife wielding Muslim was stabbing people.
I have thought long and hard about my ccw choice ever since that happened.
I think that if I do buy a Glock it would be a 10mm or 45 acp.
I am not working for a government agency that dictates what or how I choose to carry.
(Thank God)
Being a civilian is nice.

I live in a small town, nothing like the crime of big cities. I am 6'2, 245 run 3 miles 2to3 times a week, and lift. I still do not go to the door after dark without a pistol tucked into my waistband. To many home invasions of more then one methhead, once the door is unlocked they bum rush. To many in my area have been left for dead or dead.

Good luck concealing a G20/29 or 21/30. The G36 is pretty easy to carry, but you just negated the high capacity advantage.

In Minnesota, in winter? Lol...

What gun do you carry when you run?




Dave