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Personally I'd think you should show us data proving an uptick of crime in national parks; and how arming park rangers has helped take a bite out of crime.
I know your a lifelong government employee, and government can't do any wrong; so explain who's idea it was to combat said crime with armed rangers, the training they receive, and the demographic and crimes of criminals. 57 years ago when I worked in a National Park, crime of any kind was unheard of; now its commonplace. And, violent crime is in the rise. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123679&page=1 Hence, the arming of rangers. Also, http://www.prm.nau.edu/prm346/wsj_park_danger_article.htmAnd, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/.../crime-in...crime.../federal-crime-data.pdf
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So some dimwits stole a couple cases of ammo from some other dimwits? Probably someone from the alt-NPS.
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Guns aren't allowed in NP's so how can they have crime? No guns, no crime, right? Guns are allowed in many National Parks now. see: http://aliengearholsters.com/blog/concealed-carry-in-national-parks/When I worked in Glacier NP in 1960, I was on a grizzly bear attack rescue and on the following weekend, I bought a Ruger 44 Magnum Blackhawk in Kalispell and used it (illegally) to kill a grizzly that treed me 10 days later; I certainly had no bad dreams, I hiked out OK. Now it is legal to carry in many NP's.
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If i recall correctly, it was 1.7 billion rounds purchased by homeland security for several alphabets, and a "preferential buying" (meaning .gov gets thiers first) that kicked off the ammo shortage in the first place, followed by panic buying, and hording, and scalping ammo as it did hit the shelves.
Cabela's has only just released box limits on ammo, and prices are still too high.
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Times have changed — and so have the parks. While families camp and boat and enjoy the beautiful wilderness, park rangers are suiting up in camouflage to fight drug dealers, smugglers, and even, on occasion, terrorists. Just as I suspected; democrats are responsible for crime in our parks.
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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If i recall correctly, it was 1.7 billion rounds purchased by homeland security for several alphabets, and to top it off, it was ordered, making the ammunition manufacturer sit on it, but never paid for, as I understand it.
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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I wonder if it was lead free?
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You know, practice makes perfect! While I don't live out west I believe meth labs and pot growing operations are quite prevalent! I guess you guys would like to send them on patrol with 30 rounds. A Pa. game warden was shot and killed not too long ago (working alone at night), there are a lot of criminals out there!
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1000's of rounds, in a National Park? WTF ?
Why wouldn't NPS law enforcement have ammo? exactly what are the crime stats at Crater Lake National Park? The big question is WHY is this amount of ammunition needed there in the first place. Remember the discussions in the past about why the Park Service, the Education Department, the Energy Department, and others, were buying billions of rounds of ammo? We never got an answer
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1000's of rounds, in a National Park? WTF ?
Why wouldn't NPS law enforcement have ammo? exactly what are the crime stats at Crater Lake National Park? The big question is WHY is this amount of ammunition needed there in the first place. Remember the discussions in the past about why the Park Service, the Education Department, the Energy Department, and others, were buying billions of rounds of ammo? We never got an answer You won't get one about this either.
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I'll bet real money it was an inside job..
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yea I was going to post the same thing
the average bear isn't going to know they have it or where they keep it
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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1000's of rounds, in a National Park? WTF ?
Why wouldn't NPS law enforcement have ammo? exactly what are the crime stats at Crater Lake National Park? The big question is WHY is this amount of ammunition needed there in the first place. Crater Lake has almost 500,000 visitors a year and 180,000+ acres. Can't imagine they're all good folks. If they stole the main stash of pistol, rifle and shotgun ammo for the park that "1000s" isn't much at all.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of scumbags.
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The rodents are taking over that dammed Lake! ![[Linked Image]](https://s28.postimg.org/4342oirot/IMG_0033.jpg) Good God man, is that Squirrelzilla? I think I see houses clutched in his massive paws. The horror! Call for an air strike!
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Oh The Drama!
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Could very well have been an inside job. Somebody obviously knew where it was, and how to get it. Leave a bunch of valuable stuff that's easily resellable someplace where the crooks can get to it and it's gonna vanish. Plain & simple; I bet there's a lot of handgun ammo in that heist. They could probably unload a lot of handgun ammo for a good buck in one of our gun free, socialist, democrat controlled, workers paradises where it's very difficult to buy ammo but there's a huge demand, like Chicago.
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I believe firearms are allowed in National Parks. I had a rifle in my vehicle visible to the folks at the gate and entered Yellowstone several times. They are now but it sure wasn't the NPS's idea. Congress forced it on them.
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Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Years ago, I picked up a hitch hiker, young kid about 22 or so. He was looking for work, so I got him a job on a farm , Close to Casper Wy. In our conversations he had been to Yellowstone Park , the year before , with a gang from CA. They were making a drug swap, in the park. He said it was the best place because the Rangers were not trained to look for drug deals. They met at a campground and did the trade,cash for drugs. Was an eye opener for me. Not saying we need swat in the NPS, but I bet we have them.
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Years ago, I picked up a hitch hiker, young kid about 22 or so. He was looking for work, so I got him a job on a farm , Close to Casper Wy. In our conversations he had been to Yellowstone Park , the year before , with a gang from CA. They were making a drug swap, in the park. He said it was the best place because the Rangers were not trained to look for drug deals. They met at a campground and did the trade,cash for drugs. Was an eye opener for me. Not saying we need swat in the NPS, but I bet we have them. Even if they were trained to spot drugs, they wouldn't have the manpower to deal with it. They'd also be too far away from help who did to get it.
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