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If it's printed with ink it must be true. That old saw has led to the creation and perpetuation of mis-information, old wive's tales, and generally misleading nomenclature that eventually takes on an aura of truth as it gets perpetuated. Because some "expert" mis-spoke a generation ago and caused a misconception to embed itself in the lexicon doesn't make it right.

gnoahhh,

By the same token, because a person has an opinion in 2018 it doesn't negate the actual experiences of real subject matter experts of 20/50/100 years ago.

Personally, IF Elmer Keith, P. O . Ackley & other known experts said something, based on his long experience, I'll take that opinion before that of anyone whose background in that subject area is unknown.
Similarly, my old friend Gunnery SGT Fred S. S____________ is my "go to guy" on long range shooting advice, as Fred was a well-known sniper for 4 tours during RVN, with many "kills" to his record.
(He was 3rd or 4th in total "kills" during all of the war in SE Asia.)

yours, tex

My first hand experience with some things that appeared in print is that the author often jumps to erroneous conclusions or uses out right embellishments which then get reported and perpetrated down through the ages. David

gnoahh, the Lee Enfield I handled that had been converted to .219 was done by machinist and hobby gunsmith living in upstate NYS. The magazines were blocked to make them shorter and I'm sure altered otherwise but I didn't get to examine them really closely to see how. The rifle fed factory .219s very smoothly and ejected them smartly. Sadly it wasn't originally a Savage-made "Smelly".

As to Savage making the .222, they didn't MAKE any but the 340 to my knowledge, but they did IMPORT Finnish Valmet O/Us with the bottom barrel in .222. I've had one for years and if you think break-action arms can't be accurate, you should try one. The Savage model number is 2400 and they imported them in 12 guage over .308WCF also (also as accurate as you'd expect a .308 to be).

Valmet sold combination guns in 12 guage .22 HP/5.6x52R for years in Europe, both in the earlier version identical to the "Savage 2400" except for finish, and in the later Model 412.

Thanks, Mike. I knew somewhere in the recent past was a Savage O/U containing a .222 barrel. Not having ever paid much attention to such things, I didn't realize it was in the "badge engineered" Valmet line.

Jeff (S99VG)- idea for your Savage Enfield project? Nudge nudge wink wink.

The 22 HP/5.6x52R was/is quite popular in in Europe, I've handled them in BRNO's, CZ and Valmets. I use an older BRNO 305 12ga/5.6x52R for coyote hunting in tighter cover. I have a second set of shotgun barrels for it so it is one of my guns that gets thrown in when heading out on a road trip. It is extremely accurate so it covers all coyote action from my shoelaces to 300+ yards. I would love to find a drilling in 22 HP that I could afford. I do hunt coyotes with a drilling in 6.5x58R and a 22 HP would be even better.







Drilling and coyotes, a great rig for tighter cover even better than a combo gun when they respond to the call in multiples.



Savage also made the Model 24 in 222 Rem/20ga it was a quite popular combo.

Mesa,

THANKS for reminding me of the model number: 2400 was the model number of my 12/.308 Valmet-made O/U combination gun.

VERY ACCURATE weapon. = The biggest coyote that I've ever seen fell to a load of #2 goose shot at about 30M. - It was like "magic", as one instant there was NO coyote & the next eye-blink he was right in front of my blind.
(Sadly it was stolen in a house burglary in 2011.)

yours, tex

225 winchester would be nice ..If im not mistaken its parent cartridge is the 219 zipper

Tex, I've had that situation where a 'dog appears mysteriously way too near your change pocket. Fortunately the last time it happened (in upstate NYS where the coyotes are kinda large) I was sitting still with a 10 guage Remington Model 1899 SxS in my lap....at that range even a turkey load is lethal.

I was wanting a 22HP sometime back. I started looking at ballistics and about the same time production of fast twist 223 barrels started.

My solution was a fast twist that would 70 or 80 grain bullets. no brass problem. I have dies and brass.

Yes I know it is not a High Power but it does all that the HP does plus a little more.

It may do the same things but it has no soul. Kind of like comparing a AR to a 99.

Mesa,

I understand. = One of the members of our Texas Master Naturalist Chapter was calling critters (with a cottontail rabbit "squealer") from his ground blind (made of hay bales & brush), when he felt something touch his pants leg.

It was an "about half-grown fox. - I'm not sure which of us was the more surprised about him being IN my blind, with his muzzle touching my blue jeans.", according to Greg P_____________.
(He later LOL & said, "My wife nearly had a laundry problem to deal with.")

yours, tex

Found these at Tradex
Varini Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R (22 HP)
SKU: 38399

38399- Varini Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R (22 HP). Very good bores, shotgun bore shows slight pits. Shows some handling marks. Overall very good condition.

1 in stock

Never heard of a varini


Valmet Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R (22 HP)
SKU: 38411

38411- Valmet Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R (22 HP). Very good bores, shotgun bore shows a couple remote pits. Factory dovetailed for scope. Stock broken off at the wrist. Overall good +...

1 in stock


Brno ZH305 Combination Gun in 22 HP over 12GA
SKU: 40004

40004- Brno ZH305 Combination Gun in 22 HP over 12GA. Very good bores. Shotgun bore shows a few pits in front of chamber. Factory dovetailed for scope mount. Shows some handling marks and...

1 in stock


Marocchi O/U Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R
SKU: 40047

40047- Marocchi O/U Combination Gun in 12GA over 5.6x52R. Very good bore. Factory dovetailed for scope mount. Opening lever closes on open action. Shows some handling marks. Overall very good...

1 in stock

More rifles available than I thought possible

For sake of... nothing really, they did make 24V's in .222/20ga.