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Sig P320 has a very good trigger right out of the box
I've owned a couple. It wasnt bad, but wasnt for me. The more I spent time with it, the more I disliked the way it felt in my hands. Thought the modularity was a cool idea though, if thats actually a word lol The modularity doesn’t matter to me but I really like the 320. I’ve found them to be accurate and the grip fits my hand well. Yeah the 2 I owned were shooters as well.
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X stands for "crossover". Marketing nomenclature only....17 frame with a 19 slide.
BTW - I like mine. Gen 4 mags fit fine. 10-4, Thanks tominboise and TRH.
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but I really like the 320. I’ve found them to be accurate and the grip fits my hand well. Yes, the 320 is a great gun & I like it a lot too.............I think the Carry-X will follow me home one of these days. MM Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore has a nice deal on the X-Carry and ROMEO1 combo for $699.99. Combo Deal
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P320 has noticeably more flip due to much higher bore axis than Glock. I was excited about it when first introduced, but shot it side by side with my Glock 17 and the sensation of flip with the Sig was a deal breaker. I love the high bore axis.
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P320 has noticeably more flip due to much higher bore axis than Glock. I was excited about it when first introduced, but shot it side by side with my Glock 17 and the sensation of flip with the Sig was a deal breaker. I love the high bore axis. there are many hear who mocks real hawkeye and Glockduffies not knowin that both of them is secret a part of 9th level mensa ninja department, knowin that hittin a throwen asparin 3 times in air requires lowest bore possible they are secret about it but tries to give hints.
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The bore axis issue wasn't even on my radar when I enthusiastically bought the Sig P320 immediately upon its introduction. That only came after I had been confused as to why I was getting such a noticeable (and annoying) flip from shooting it vs my Glock 17, which I was shooting side by side. I immediately started searching various gun forums to see if I was the only one who noticed it, and lo and behold, it was a common observation.
That was my first exposure to the whole bore axis height explanation, and it makes perfect sense from the perspective of very basic concepts of physics. Higher bore axis increases the leverage advantage attached to the force exerted by recoil in a muzzle-upward direction. It's really not complicated if you just think about it.
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The bore axis issue wasn't even on my radar when I enthusiastically bought the Sig P320 immediately upon its introduction. That only came after I had been confused as to why I was getting such a noticeable (and annoying) flip from shooting it vs my Glock 17, which I was shooting side by side. I immediately started searching various gun forums to see if I was the only one who noticed it, and lo and behold, it was a common observation.
That was my first exposure to the whole bore axis height explanation, and it makes perfect sense from the perspective of very basic concepts of physics. Higher bore axis increases the leverage advantage attached to the force exerted by recoil in a muzzle-upward direction. It's really not complicated if you just think about it. I’m would have to shoot something with a lot more recoil than 9mm 147 grain +P+ to notice any muzzle flip in my 320
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P320 has noticeably more flip due to much higher bore axis than Glock. I was excited about it when first introduced, but shot it side by side with my Glock 17 and the sensation of flip with the Sig was a deal breaker. I love the high bore axis. there are many hear who mocks real hawkeye and Glockduffies not knowin that both of them is secret a part of 9th level mensa ninja department, knowin that hittin a throwen asparin 3 times in air requires lowest bore possible they are secret about it but tries to give hints. ROTFLMAO. I ONLY I’D KNOWN SOONER!
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The bore axis issue wasn't even on my radar when I enthusiastically bought the Sig P320 immediately upon its introduction. That only came after I had been confused as to why I was getting such a noticeable (and annoying) flip from shooting it vs my Glock 17, which I was shooting side by side. I immediately started searching various gun forums to see if I was the only one who noticed it, and lo and behold, it was a common observation.
That was my first exposure to the whole bore axis height explanation, and it makes perfect sense from the perspective of very basic concepts of physics. Higher bore axis increases the leverage advantage attached to the force exerted by recoil in a muzzle-upward direction. It's really not complicated if you just think about it. I’m would have to shoot something with a lot more recoil than 9mm 147 grain +P+ to notice any muzzle flip in my 320 Probably depends on your experience level. I've been an avid handgun shooter since 1980, so even a subtle difference is more likely going to be noticed and to be considered annoying.
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The bore axis issue wasn't even on my radar when I enthusiastically bought the Sig P320 immediately upon its introduction. That only came after I had been confused as to why I was getting such a noticeable (and annoying) flip from shooting it vs my Glock 17, which I was shooting side by side. I immediately started searching various gun forums to see if I was the only one who noticed it, and lo and behold, it was a common observation.
That was my first exposure to the whole bore axis height explanation, and it makes perfect sense from the perspective of very basic concepts of physics. Higher bore axis increases the leverage advantage attached to the force exerted by recoil in a muzzle-upward direction. It's really not complicated if you just think about it. I’m would have to shoot something with a lot more recoil than 9mm 147 grain +P+ to notice any muzzle flip in my 320 Probably depends on your experience level. I've been an avid handgun shooter since 1980, so even a subtle difference is more likely going to be noticed and to be considered annoying. see the menses know!
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The bore axis issue wasn't even on my radar when I enthusiastically bought the Sig P320 immediately upon its introduction. That only came after I had been confused as to why I was getting such a noticeable (and annoying) flip from shooting it vs my Glock 17, which I was shooting side by side. I immediately started searching various gun forums to see if I was the only one who noticed it, and lo and behold, it was a common observation.
That was my first exposure to the whole bore axis height explanation, and it makes perfect sense from the perspective of very basic concepts of physics. Higher bore axis increases the leverage advantage attached to the force exerted by recoil in a muzzle-upward direction. It's really not complicated if you just think about it. I’m would have to shoot something with a lot more recoil than 9mm 147 grain +P+ to notice any muzzle flip in my 320 Probably depends on your experience level. I've been an avid handgun shooter since 1980, so even a subtle difference is more likely going to be noticed and to be considered annoying. I suspect I’ve got a hell of a lot more handgun shooting experience than you do and I’m not a weakling that can’t still arm a 9mm semi auto. You must be really intouch with your feminist side, might want to be careful there. Bluedreaux, shot his 320 against a timer an found zero difference in time. It is a non issue. .
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I suspect I’ve got a hell of a lot more handgun shooting experience than you do and I’m not a weakling that can’t still arm a 9mm semi auto. You must be really intouch with your feminist side, might want to be careful there.
Bluedreaux, shot his 320 against a timer an found zero difference in time. It is a non issue. .
Some people don't notice it. Others do, and don't like the sensation (regardless if they can't detect a time difference). The fact that it exists is a mere fact of physics. It's pretty silly to argue that it doesn't exist.
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I suspect I’ve got a hell of a lot more handgun shooting experience than you do and I’m not a weakling that can’t still arm a 9mm semi auto. You must be really intouch with your feminist side, might want to be careful there.
Bluedreaux, shot his 320 against a timer an found zero difference in time. It is a non issue. .
Some people don't notice it. Others do, and don't like the sensation (regardless if they can't detect a time difference). The fact that it exists is a mere fact of physics. It's pretty silly to argue that it doesn't exist. Physics, explain your knowledge of physic in how it relates to shooting a pistol, please. No one has argued existence that I am aware of, a bait and switch perhaps. I believe we said it is irrelevant to performance.
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Physics, explain your knowledge of physic in how it relates to shooting a pistol, please. No one has argued existence that I am aware of, a bait and switch perhaps. I believe we said it is irrelevant to performance.
I've explained the physics. I believe I spoke of a preference for the Glock service sized pistols vs the Sig P320 based on disliking the sensation of the muzzle flip with the Sig, which is quite noticeable to me, having been a Glock guy for a few years now, then trying the Sig P320 when it first came out. I don't like it. You may differ. That's fine. No need to bring our discussion into the gutter. What would that accomplish?
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Physics, explain your knowledge of physic in how it relates to shooting a pistol, please. No one has argued existence that I am aware of, a bait and switch perhaps. I believe we said it is irrelevant to performance.
I've explained the physics. I believe I spoke of a preference for the Glock service sized pistols vs the Sig P320 based on disliking the sensation of the muzzle flip with the Sig, which is quite noticeable to me, having been a Glock guy for a few years now, then trying the Sig P320 when it first came out. I don't like it. You may differ. That's fine. No need to bring our discussion into the gutter. What would that accomplish? You brought “physics” into the discussion, I’d like to know how physics relates to shooting a pistol. Personal preference I get.
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It has to do with mechanical advantage based on the position of the bore line in relation to the palm. The greater the mechanical advantage, the more the rotational force ("muzzle flip") is increased. Think of a lever, and how much more weight you can lift the further you are from the fulcrum, even though the amount of effort on your part (analogous to actual recoil) remains constant.
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It has to do with mechanical advantage based on the position of the bore line in relation to the palm. The greater the mechanical advantage, the more the rotational force ("muzzle flip") is increased. Think of a lever, and how much more weight you can lift the further you are from the fulcrum, even though the amount of effort on your part (analogous to actual recoil) remains constant. So it leaverage. Physics isn’t needed
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Even if you're able to see a difference in the sights between a 320 and 19 / 17, a good shooter won't see a difference in actual on target performance when they put themselves against a timer. I tried to outshoot a 320 with my M&P. Really hard. And on target they were indiscernible.
It's like arguing that your truck with 34" tires will make it through the mud better than a truck with 34.5" tires.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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That's true & a good shooter is able to adjust & shoot different guns well; it the amateurs & the inexperienced that have trouble moving from platform to platform.
That's not to be taken that individuals won't have preferences, but they are still able to shoot different platforms well.
Some people just overthink what should come naturally.
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BEWARE the man with (1) gun...because he's assuredly clueless. Hint.(grin)
The 19X is rather forgiving,from all angles and connects alotta dots by default........................
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