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Originally Posted by djs
The whole corona-virus issue is not made-up BS. It is real and the US death toll is now jut below 100,.000 and climbing. We account for over 28% of the world's deaths and 29% of the cases. Who knows where it will end before a vaccine is developed, tested and mass-produced?.


Nice try sport. Numbers don't lie but people use them to build false arguments all the time.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

US case mortality is 10th in the list of countries and with 5.9% substantially less than most of the others. Deaths/1000 we're #9. We're doing fine in the larger sense especially once we honestly remove the folks who were placed in the un-winnable situation of care facilities and being already in danger from other significant health issues.

No one with a brain is saying this is fake but there is a very good chance that there will never be a universal vaccine so I sure wouldn't put my money down on that solving it and masks and destroying the economy sure won't. I suspect that this will be largely be very much like 1918 with the virus mutating and people getting immunity and it will end with a whimper and not a bang.

Now, will there be an economy to go back to? I suspect no conspiracy but I sure see a lot of government incompetence in balancing risks but the government doesn't do risk analysis. They know they will survive no matter how badly they do their job, or if they do it at all.


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Originally Posted by djs
From Health News: "Why Sweden’s COVID-19 Strategy Can’t Work in the U.S."
see: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-what-happened-in-sweden-and-you-cant-compare-it-to-u-s

From Business Insider: "A new Swedish coronavirus antibody study suggests the herd-immunity strategy isn't working"
see: https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...sweden-not-reaching-herd-immunity-2020-5

The whole corona-virus issue is not made-up BS. It is real and the US death toll is now jut below 100,.000 and climbing. We account for over 28% of the world's deaths and 29% of the cases. Who knows where it will end before a vaccine is developed, tested and mass-produced?

The bigger issue is not just the death rate, but the lingering effects of those who survive. Respiratory and major organ damage results that leave many victims with diminished physical conditions.

Wrong. I just got off the phone with a Seattle hospital. 6 gunshot deaths in the last couple of weeks tested positive. Guess what. 6 COVID deaths added to the list. 7 COVID patients in the hospital currently. Re-tested every week for 6-7 weeks. Each week the positive test is added to the count. Be gullible if you want, but reality is what it is. I communicate with hospitals in multiple states weekly. Same story across the board.


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Originally Posted by 280shooter

Wrong. I just got off the phone with a Seattle hospital. 6 gunshot deaths in the last couple of weeks tested positive. Guess what. 6 COVID deaths added to the list. 7 COVID patients in the hospital currently. Re-tested every week for 6-7 weeks. Each week the positive test is added to the count. Be gullible if you want, but reality is what it is. I communicate with hospitals in multiple states weekly. Same story across the board.


???? 6 deaths added to the death count as 6 added to the positive count (one time).....but 7 real positives numbers result in from 42 to 49 positives which are not counted as deaths and keeping on counting up ????

Hard to say if that's numbers supporting high death counts or high survival rates?

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Originally Posted by 280shooter

Wrong. I just got off the phone with a Seattle hospital. 6 gunshot deaths in the last couple of weeks tested positive. Guess what. 6 COVID deaths added to the list. 7 COVID patients in the hospital currently. Re-tested every week for 6-7 weeks. Each week the positive test is added to the count. Be gullible if you want, but reality is what it is. I communicate with hospitals in multiple states weekly. Same story across the board.


???? 6 deaths added to the death count as 6 added to the positive count (one time).....but 7 real positives numbers result in from 42 to 49 positives which are not counted as deaths and keeping on counting up ????

Hard to say if that's numbers supporting high death counts or high survival rates?

6 people shot to death. They swab them. The test positive for COVID and are added to the COVID death count. 7 patients tested weekly. Net result: 6 new deaths and 42-49 cases. The numbers are bullshiite.


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Originally Posted by 280shooter
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Originally Posted by 280shooter

Wrong. I just got off the phone with a Seattle hospital. 6 gunshot deaths in the last couple of weeks tested positive. Guess what. 6 COVID deaths added to the list. 7 COVID patients in the hospital currently. Re-tested every week for 6-7 weeks. Each week the positive test is added to the count. Be gullible if you want, but reality is what it is. I communicate with hospitals in multiple states weekly. Same story across the board.


???? 6 deaths added to the death count as 6 added to the positive count (one time).....but 7 real positives numbers result in from 42 to 49 positives which are not counted as deaths and keeping on counting up ????

Hard to say if that's numbers supporting high death counts or high survival rates?

6 people shot to death. They swab them. The test positive for COVID and are added to the COVID death count. 7 patients tested weekly. Net result: 6 new deaths and 42-49 cases. The numbers are bullshiite.


Ain't no monies in a 'non-COVID' death........


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Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by djs
The whole corona-virus issue is not made-up BS. It is real and the US death toll is now jut below 100,.000 and climbing. We account for over 28% of the world's deaths and 29% of the cases. Who knows where it will end before a vaccine is developed, tested and mass-produced?.


Nice try sport. Numbers don't lie but people use them to build false arguments all the time.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

US case mortality is 10th in the list of countries and with 5.9% substantially less than most of the others. Deaths/1000 we're #9. We're doing fine in the larger sense especially once we honestly remove the folks who were placed in the un-winnable situation of care facilities and being already in danger from other significant health issues.

No one with a brain is saying this is fake but there is a very good chance that there will never be a universal vaccine so I sure wouldn't put my money down on that solving it and masks and destroying the economy sure won't. I suspect that this will be largely be very much like 1918 with the virus mutating and people getting immunity and it will end with a whimper and not a bang.

Now, will there be an economy to go back to? I suspect no conspiracy but I sure see a lot of government incompetence in balancing risks but the government doesn't do risk analysis. They know they will survive no matter how badly they do their job, or if they do it at all.


Game. set and match. Easy to see who the statists are...


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Originally Posted by 280shooter
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Originally Posted by 280shooter

Wrong. I just got off the phone with a Seattle hospital. 6 gunshot deaths in the last couple of weeks tested positive. Guess what. 6 COVID deaths added to the list. 7 COVID patients in the hospital currently. Re-tested every week for 6-7 weeks. Each week the positive test is added to the count. Be gullible if you want, but reality is what it is. I communicate with hospitals in multiple states weekly. Same story across the board.


???? 6 deaths added to the death count as 6 added to the positive count (one time).....but 7 real positives numbers result in from 42 to 49 positives which are not counted as deaths and keeping on counting up ????

Hard to say if that's numbers supporting high death counts or high survival rates?

6 people shot to death. They swab them. The test positive for COVID and are added to the COVID death count. 7 patients tested weekly. Net result: 6 new deaths and 42-49 cases. The numbers are bullshiite.


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The whole corona-virus issue is not made-up BS. It is real and the US death toll is now jut below 100,.000 and climbing. We account for over 28% of the world's deaths and 29% of the cases. Who knows where it will end before a vaccine is developed, tested and mass-produced?

The bigger issue is not just the death rate, but the lingering effects of those who survive. Respiratory and major organ damage results that leave many victims with diminished physical conditions.
If it's not BS, why does the press do their best to suppress effective treatments?


You mean the unproven, undocumented claims being promoted? My wife has taken hydroxychloroquine for over 20 years (for Lupus) and her physician had advised her that her immune system is compromised as a result of the Lupus) and that she is susceptible to the Corona-Virus.

Of course, Clorox WILL kill the virus, but it has some side effects.

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Of course, Clorox WILL kill the virus, but it has some side effects.


try a swig and let us know?


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Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by djs
The whole corona-virus issue is not made-up BS. It is real and the US death toll is now jut below 100,.000 and climbing. We account for over 28% of the world's deaths and 29% of the cases. Who knows where it will end before a vaccine is developed, tested and mass-produced?.


Nice try sport. Numbers don't lie but people use them to build false arguments all the time.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

US case mortality is 10th in the list of countries and with 5.9% substantially less than most of the others. Deaths/1000 we're #9. We're doing fine in the larger sense especially once we honestly remove the folks who were placed in the un-winnable situation of care facilities and being already in danger from other significant health issues.

No one with a brain is saying this is fake but there is a very good chance that there will never be a universal vaccine so I sure wouldn't put my money down on that solving it and masks and destroying the economy sure won't. I suspect that this will be largely be very much like 1918 with the virus mutating and people getting immunity and it will end with a whimper and not a bang.

Now, will there be an economy to go back to? I suspect no conspiracy but I sure see a lot of government incompetence in balancing risks but the government doesn't do risk analysis. They know they will survive no matter how badly they do their job, or if they do it at all.


You are correct in what you point out Pugs. But we comparing 2 different data sets. Both are from Johns Hopkins University but, the date set you used is "Deaths per 100,000 Population". I divided the "Number of Deaths" by the "Number of Confirmed Cases" to give a measure of the mortality rate. Simply different ways of looking at the issue.

"No one with a brain is saying this is fake but there is a very good chance that there will never be a universal vaccine..."
1.) Some here on the 'fire have called the Covid-19 situation "BS" and a non-existent issue.
2.) And, as I have said previously, there may never be a vaccine developed. I have a friend who (as an Immunologist at a Medical School) has been working on an HIV vaccine since 1982 and is still at it. The 1918 pandemic (Spanish flu) did burn itself out, with the loss of many lives. From the CDC web site: "The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States." That's a lot of people and, a similar toll would also take a toll on the economy.
see: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

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Originally Posted by djs



You mean the unproven, undocumented claims being promoted? My wife has taken hydroxychloroquine for over 20 years (for Lupus) and her physician had advised her that her immune system is compromised as a result of the Lupus) and that she is susceptible to the Corona-Virus.

Of course, Clorox WILL kill the virus, but it has some side effects.



So what is really eating at you? No, besides the fact you hate Trump? What is really the issue that you're trying to get across? The issue beside the fact you HATE Trump?

Are you trying to tell us that a respiratory disease could have lingering effects? Since when is that news? We are talking about a disease. Some suck more than others. Haven't seen you on here bitching about Hep or TB. Tuberculosis is very contagious and very dangerous. It is a world wide problem. How come no protest about that?

So, what is really got your goat? One of two things:

1.) You are concerned about COVID because your wife is immuno compromised. OK, valid concern, so just come out with it. "This thing worries me because my wife is in the high risk category". At least I'd respect that out of you.

2.) You just HATE Trump and will resist anything he says or does. By your many posts, this seems to be the story.

I've got a news flash for you. SARS-COV-2 ain't going away. Chances for an effective vaccine to save the planet aren't good. Human corona viruses have been identified since 1960 and in SIXTY years, we have no vaccine for ANY of them. So if you expect the entire country to hide away until an effective vaccine can be found and produced in mass quantity, you've lost touch with reality. At best it will be a year or more. By then, this virus will have made its second and third wave around the world, if there is going to be one.

At some point, the masses AND the "scientists" will have to come to the realization that the world will need to cope and live with SARS-COV-2 just like they do Hep B, TB, HIV, Influenza A & B, typhus, cholera and a whole host of other things.

Yes, people will get sick. People will continue contracting this thing years from now, vaccine or no vaccine. You will never get 100% of the world vaccinated any more than you will get 100% herd immunity, but the numbers will drop. You might see hot spots flare up, but we now have the capacity to treat people. You DO recall that was the big fear, that the healthcare system would crash from over demand?

So, troll, what is it you really want? You want everyone in America to stay at home to protect your wife? Noble thought. That would make you a caring, though unrealistic husband thinking that your specific wants need to cause 300 million people to alter their lives and livelihood indefinitely for your family. Or is this just more "Resist Trump" blather?

How about you let doctors decide what treatment is best for their patients. You know, trained healthcare people? I could believe you, a social media warrior in that the treatments currently discussed are, now how did you put it? Ah, here's how you put it:

"You mean the unproven, undocumented claims being promoted?"

I could believe you, or my neighbor the Pulmonologist who uses hydroxyxhlorquine and remsdesivir right now at Northside Hospital and says they work. Or maybe my other neighbor who is an ER physician at Wellstar North Fulton hospital. Funny that he says they work. Maybe it doesn't work in Blue States, only Red? Maybe it doesn't work on progressive liberal socialists? As Gus might say "Does anyone really know?"

So out with it. What is your REAL message and motivation?

You can try the Clorox thing if you want. The rest of us understand satire.


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Originally Posted by 280shooter
Wrong. I just got off the phone with a Seattle hospital. 6 gunshot deaths in the last couple of weeks tested positive. Guess what. 6 COVID deaths added to the list. 7 COVID patients in the hospital currently. Re-tested every week for 6-7 weeks. Each week the positive test is added to the count. Be gullible if you want, but reality is what it is. I communicate with hospitals in multiple states weekly. Same story across the board.


Be careful.

Ol' Poof'll take out his dentures and gum ya ta death, for reportin what goes on in hospitals.

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Originally Posted by djs
From Health News: "Why Sweden’s COVID-19 Strategy Can’t Work in the U.S."
see: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-what-happened-in-sweden-and-you-cant-compare-it-to-u-s

From Business Insider: "A new Swedish coronavirus antibody study suggests the herd-immunity strategy isn't working"
see: https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...sweden-not-reaching-herd-immunity-2020-5

The whole corona-virus issue is not made-up BS. It is real and the US death toll is now jut below 100,.000 and climbing. We account for over 28% of the world's deaths and 29% of the cases. Who knows where it will end before a vaccine is developed, tested and mass-produced?

The bigger issue is not just the death rate, but the lingering effects of those who survive. Respiratory and major organ damage results that leave many victims with diminished physical conditions.


the amount of cases is irrelevant as those are only known cases, its likely there are a lot more cases than have been tested for. vaccine, dont hole your breath, think HIV, Its nothing to sneeze at....


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Damn Hatari don’t hang out in a limb tell us how you really feel😂...

Bravo. That was a damn fine post.

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Originally Posted by djs



You mean the unproven, undocumented claims being promoted? My wife has taken hydroxychloroquine for over 20 years (for Lupus) and her physician had advised her that her immune system is compromised as a result of the Lupus) and that she is susceptible to the Corona-Virus.

Of course, Clorox WILL kill the virus, but it has some side effects.



So what is really eating at you? No, besides the fact you hate Trump? What is really the issue that you're trying to get across? The issue beside the fact you HATE Trump?

Are you trying to tell us that a respiratory disease could have lingering effects? Since when is that news? We are talking about a disease. Some suck more than others. Haven't seen you on here bitching about Hep or TB. Tuberculosis is very contagious and very dangerous. It is a world wide problem. How come no protest about that?

So, what is really got your goat? One of two things:

1.) You are concerned about COVID because your wife is immuno compromised. OK, valid concern, so just come out with it. "This thing worries me because my wife is in the high risk category". At least I'd respect that out of you.

2.) You just HATE Trump and will resist anything he says or does. By your many posts, this seems to be the story.

I've got a news flash for you. SARS-COV-2 ain't going away. Chances for an effective vaccine to save the planet aren't good. Human corona viruses have been identified since 1960 and in SIXTY years, we have no vaccine for ANY of them. So if you expect the entire country to hide away until an effective vaccine can be found and produced in mass quantity, you've lost touch with reality. At best it will be a year or more. By then, this virus will have made its second and third wave around the world, if there is going to be one.

At some point, the masses AND the "scientists" will have to come to the realization that the world will need to cope and live with SARS-COV-2 just like they do Hep B, TB, HIV, Influenza A & B, typhus, cholera and a whole host of other things.

Yes, people will get sick. People will continue contracting this thing years from now, vaccine or no vaccine. You will never get 100% of the world vaccinated any more than you will get 100% herd immunity, but the numbers will drop. You might see hot spots flare up, but we now have the capacity to treat people. You DO recall that was the big fear, that the healthcare system would crash from over demand?

So, troll, what is it you really want? You want everyone in America to stay at home to protect your wife? Noble thought. That would make you a caring, though unrealistic husband thinking that your specific wants need to cause 300 million people to alter their lives and livelihood indefinitely for your family. Or is this just more "Resist Trump" blather?

How about you let doctors decide what treatment is best for their patients. You know, trained healthcare people? I could believe you, a social media warrior in that the treatments currently discussed are, now how did you put it? Ah, here's how you put it:

"You mean the unproven, undocumented claims being promoted?"

I could believe you, or my neighbor the Pulmonologist who uses hydroxyxhlorquine and remsdesivir right now at Northside Hospital and says they work. Or maybe my other neighbor who is an ER physician at Wellstar North Fulton hospital. Funny that he says they works. Maybe it doesn't work in Blue States, only Red? Maybe it doesn't work on progressive liberal socialists? As Gus might say "Does anyone really know?"

So out with it. What is your REAL message and motivation?

You can try the Clorox thing if you want. The rest of us understand satire.


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As for me and my house, if we test positive for the virus, we’ll shop doctors until we get the hydroxy and whatever else the docs suggest— whether “proven” or not. Few drugs have 60 years of usage. The side effects are known. The libtards in the blue states can wait on the proof and die out if they want.

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If you adjust Sweden's stats to reflect that a huge number of their cases
are in the uneducated, poor, living in filth and crowded condition Somalian
immigrants. Just more trouble from your unfriendly imported Islamist.


Just a hillbilly speculating, but from the beginning, I believe Sweden
is the one country doing this right.

Their curve went higher than ours, sure. But...

They were able to treat every single covid patient. Hmmm! And,
They also treated everyone else that needed treatment... Unlike...US?

Now, we are worried about a resurgence as we loosen up.
We are worried about the fall.

Maybe, they went higher,
But while our "curve" is likely to look like an EKG,
They will probably fall to a low plateau.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Anybody that thinks this whole virus bullshit was not just a follow on to the Russia, Ukraine hoaxes, is either an idiot or a democrat traitor (or both)


One of the best posts on this virus I read.


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Originally Posted by slowmover12
As for me and my house, if we test positive for the virus, we’ll shop doctors until we get the hydroxy and whatever else the docs suggest— whether “proven” or not. Few drugs have 60 years of usage. The side effects are known. The libtards in the blue states can wait on the proof and die out if they want.


Just a suggestion but you might want to shop docs before you get sick.

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