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Do you honestly believe the cop that initiated contact had a legal right to do so?

Yes, they are. You can refuse to produce your operator's license when asked, but the only recourse after that is to be arrested for operating without a license. Then you can make bond, come to court and eventually show your license to have the charges dropped. The only one getting skinned up is the driver who doesn't want to simply produce an operator's license. If you do anything other than put your hands behind your back and walk back to the car to ride to jail you can and will be charged with resisting arrest. You may get away with being annoyed with some pressure point control techniques, until you decide to go along with the program, or in the case of some of the younger types, they'll go ahead and initiate the Electric Company. Now you have been tasered. I assure you, this is not pleasant. If you have now progressed to this point, your options in court have diminished. It's all cool sounding to mess with the fuzz, but your best option is STILL to obey lawful commands.

Cameras are like chronographs. I call them lie detectors.
I’ve only had I believe 3 tickets in my life which is unbelievable. I will say nobody gave me one because I earned it. The saying you can’t outrun a radio is bull crap. When I was young in my Trans Am I did it many times. Edk

Cops have to have reasonable, articulable suspicion that you have, will or are committing a crime, unless it's a stop and ID state. This blindly doing what they tell you to do is why these bastards have gotten out of control going unchecked for so long. If they just pull you over and demand ID and make it clear that they didn't have a lawful traffic stop, they can catch a lawsuit and hopefully lose their qualified immunity in the process. It's happened many times before.

There is a difference between “rights” and “privilege”

When there is a license involved, your privilege is what allows you to engage in the licensed activity…

Driver: Am I being detained?

Dumb ass cop: No

Driver: Am I free to leave?

Dumb ass cop: No

Pssst, hey Dumb ass cop, that is the definition of “ Being Detained”

Cops, bunch of morons.

For a while there, I was convinced I was watching an episode of Reno 911...

That kid got schooled. I hope he unfûcks himself after this, or gets fired/quits in humiliation.

OK Bandit. Lmao.


We’re you running beer to Texarkana?

You’re missing the point.

It wasn’t a lawful command.





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Not if he had a ALPR, which would easily read a license plate behind, in front, or to either side.

…and your rights “protect” you from abuse while you “exercise” your privilege.

When does a tag run come back with your insurance statis???

Commyfornia is sure would
They will not give you your tags if you do not have Insurance and Smog your vehicle when they tell you to which is every other year here

If the Ins status is stored in the same database as the plate info, it will come back.

Exp plates sound an alert in the car, as do those with a warrant for someone that had been driving that car when pulled over for the charge that turned into a warrant.

Plate alert can show if the person the plate is registered to has a suspended or expired driver license.

On the civil side, parking lot readers and tow truck readers alert to repos.

Back in the day, I’d get the occasional wise guy that didn’t want to produce a DL or ID. I always had a valid reason for the stop or interview, so when a perp got testy, I just hooked him up and took him to jail as a John Doe refusing to identify himself. You didn’t need a good ID to get in jail, but you damned sure needed one to get out!

Only one I’ve had remotely like that I was driving around Harriman State Park in NY Stste early hours of the morning, like 2am listening for whippoorwills. Turned left onto a main highway leaving the park and as I looked to the right to check for traffic I saw a local Cop in the dark standing by the side of his unlit patrol car off the side of the highway with his duty belt undone and his pants open. No idea what he was doing or with whom.

He caught up to me a short time later and pulled me over, ran my license, seemed nervous, IIRC gave me a verbal warning about the stop sign. I have no idea what was really going on, no harm no foul.

Completely stolen from an episode of Mr InBetween on FX.

When the stop is a traffic stop. Meaning it had to be a legal stop. Officer has to have a reason to pull you over such as speeding, then you are required. But if the guy looks over and sees you driving through inner city chicago and pulls you over because you don't fir the profile of the normal inner city resident. He has no probable cause meaning he has no legal right to ask/demand id.

Dang you are dense aren't you?