In talking to the Marlin rep at a show this past weekend I found out Marlin is coming out with its own single shot rifle. They're inspired by CVA's success and their hope initially was to buy H&R/NEF but FG wanted 35 million for the brand. So apparently a Marlin break action rifle is on the horizon
It will be interesting to see what they come up with. However, if they stick to their "25,000 rounds on the shelf" cartridge selection, it's just going to be more of what's already on the market............45-70, .30-30, .44 mag, .350, .223 and maybe some .308 based rounds? Hopefully they'll step out of the box a bit in regards to stock design, chamberings and maybe interchangeable barrels.....something different than what's already out there.
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Ruger #1`s are an excellent single shot and cost a lot too manufacture as most of us know , since Ruger now owns Marlin i bet this new type single shot version will be a cheaper type break-open single shot like Henry firearms manufactures ? these new Marlin single shots will be easier to make and much cheaper to manufacture but will probably still cost over $600.00 retail. the good thing is Ruger #1`s will gain even more value and probably will never be manufactured again. Pete53
Ruger #1`s are an excellent single shot and cost a lot too manufacture as most of us know , since Ruger now owns Marlin i bet this new type single shot version will be a cheaper type break-open single shot like Henry firearms manufactures ? these new Marlin single shots will be easier to make and much cheaper to manufacture but will probably still cost over $600.00 retail. the good thing is Ruger #1`s will gain even more value and probably will never be manufactured again. Pete53
No. He said they need to be competitive with the CVA singles price tag
In talking to the Marlin rep at a show this past weekend I found out Marlin is coming out with its own single shot rifle. They're inspired by CVA's success and their hope initially was to buy H&R/NEF but FG wanted 35 million for the brand. So apparently a Marlin break action rifle is on the horizon
I believe there is something to it. Since I didn't start the rumour, I can tell you that Ruger told me a little while ago that if they are going to do that, they will announce it via email/press release. I took that to mean, something is up, but they are just not going to say much at this time.
This should keep us all jabbering for awhile. Let’s hope for a decent little kipplauf that lacks the Santa’s workshop look of the Henry, the plastic trigger guard of the NEF, and wood above the pallet grade stuff of the late No. 1s.
With Thompson Center all but dead, it would be NICE if it was something that could be in rifle AND pistol format (CVA was making Scout pistols, for a while), like the Contender/Encore. If none of you have one of the Scout pistols, they weren’t bad, considering the $300-$350 price point.
It certainly isn’t going to be like an 1885 or a No. 1, if it’s supposed to compete with a CVA Scout.
Yeah, if they're going for the CVA price point ($250-450) it will be definitely be interesting to see what they come up with. I highly doubt it will have any wood on it at that kind of money, but you never know.
I'm a big fan of the CVAs, but some healthy competition is typically a good thing. Maybe Ruger/Marlin will cook up something even better at that price level.
In talking to the Marlin rep at a show this past weekend I found out Marlin is coming out with its own single shot rifle. They're inspired by CVA's success and their hope initially was to buy H&R/NEF but FG wanted 35 million for the brand. So apparently a Marlin break action rifle is on the horizon
If it's not a working man something or another they might as well go on to other projects and let Henry and the chinee peepuls take care of the low end market I can't see a big market for a high end single that doesn't come in a Merkel box
Ruger #1`s are an excellent single shot and cost a lot too manufacture as most of us know , since Ruger now owns Marlin i bet this new type single shot version will be a cheaper type break-open single shot like Henry firearms manufactures ? these new Marlin single shots will be easier to make and much cheaper to manufacture but will probably still cost over $600.00 retail. the good thing is Ruger #1`s will gain even more value and probably will never be manufactured again. Pete53
Ruger is coming out with two new No.1's this year, a 270 75th anniversary and a 280 Ai. Apparently even more in the pipeline.
I hope whatever they come out with has interchangable barrels like could be done with the H&R. Would set them apart from the CVA/Henry pack.
And I'd like to see the 360 BH in the first round of offerings.
The ability to swap barrels would be a good move for them. It would set them apart as you mentioned and fill the gap left by TC. If you can swap barrels, it could be advertised as a takedown model.
One big pro of the break action single shots is the short oal. In a suppressed break action, less barrel shortening is needed for the same rifle OAL as a bolt/etc. They could promote that.
Any of the states that have cartridge and/or action restrictions or special seasons would be another market, so yeah, any of the state restriction rounds should be a seller.
Whatever they do, I hope they make it slim/trim and stainless. I like light rifles. An option with a carbon butt/forend, a slim/trim receiver, and light contour barrel would be nice. So many of the short break actions are not lighter than bolt actions because of the weight of the stocks or heavy contour barrels. If designed well, it could compete in weight with the lightest rifles on the market, without the need for a shorter barrel, and still be suppressed.
Ruger #1`s are an excellent single shot and cost a lot too manufacture as most of us know , since Ruger now owns Marlin i bet this new type single shot version will be a cheaper type break-open single shot like Henry firearms manufactures ? these new Marlin single shots will be easier to make and much cheaper to manufacture but will probably still cost over $600.00 retail. the good thing is Ruger #1`s will gain even more value and probably will never be manufactured again. Pete53
Ruger is coming out with two new No.1's this year, a 270 75th anniversary and a 280 Ai. Apparently even more in the pipeline.
Ruger #1`s are an excellent single shot and cost a lot too manufacture as most of us know , since Ruger now owns Marlin i bet this new type single shot version will be a cheaper type break-open single shot like Henry firearms manufactures ? these new Marlin single shots will be easier to make and much cheaper to manufacture but will probably still cost over $600.00 retail. the good thing is Ruger #1`s will gain even more value and probably will never be manufactured again. Pete53
No. He said they need to be competitive with the CVA singles price tag
well good for them but i won`t be buying this type of rifle , i prefer a better quality rifle .
I hope whatever they come out with has interchangable barrels like could be done with the H&R. Would set them apart from the CVA/Henry pack.
And I'd like to see the 360 BH in the first round of offerings.
The ability to swap barrels would be a good move for them. It would set them apart as you mentioned and fill the gap left by TC. If you can swap barrels, it could be advertised as a takedown model.
One big pro of the break action single shots is the short oal. In a suppressed break action, less barrel shortening is needed for the same rifle OAL as a bolt/etc. They could promote that.
Any of the states that have cartridge and/or action restrictions or special seasons would be another market, so yeah, any of the state restriction rounds should be a seller.
Whatever they do, I hope they make it slim/trim and stainless. I like light rifles. An option with a carbon butt/forend, a slim/trim receiver, and light contour barrel would be nice. So many of the short break actions are not lighter than bolt actions because of the weight of the stocks or heavy contour barrels. If designed well, it could compete in weight with the lightest rifles on the market, without the need for a shorter barrel, and still be suppressed.
I very much agree. The rationale for suppressors would be a good seller. The popularity of these types of rifles in states with chambering restrictions makes them being an offering a no brainer IMO.
I know that some version of a Farquharson action would be nice, but Ruger already has the No. 1. As well, they need to hit an affordable price point, so that means a break action. Same with the stock. These days, plastic is the new wood. The tactical people like the look and the accountants like the cheap production cost.
If the the idea of single action, straight walled cartridges has Ruger's interest, then the 360 BHMR makes sense, if only for the bullet selection, the headspacing and the fact that people like as much punch as they can get for their dollar. This last thing doesn't always make sense, but it is what it is.
The bean counters have the final word, so I think they will have to offer something like a 223, 308 or similar "popular" cartridge as well, if they want to make some money.
They could take their cues from the Savage 219, IMO about the most graceful budget priced break open ever made. Emphasis on budget, not talking about Merkels or other high dollar kipplaufen.
Of course, given today's market and buyers, it'll have a black plastic stock with M-Lok forend, maybe even a collapsible folding stock.
I just threw up a little writing that...
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They could take their cues from the Savage 219, IMO about the most graceful budget priced break open ever made.
I agree that that is a very nice-looking single-shot rifle. The only "problem" with it is it doesn't meet the requirements for hunting in certain areas & manufacturers might take that into consideration. For hunting seasons in a variety of locations (i.e. if someone was trying to design a "universal" rifle instead of an elegant one), then it would at a minimum have to have the following features to check off the largest number of regulation requirements:
1. Breech loaded 2. Exposed hammer 3. Chambered in calibers .35 or greater 4. Chambered in a straight-walled cartridge
Item 1, 2 & 3 are what I have to primitive hunt under in LA & MS. Item #2 (which negates your excellent suggestion) is what keeps my beloved Ruger #1 chambered in 9.3x74r stuck in my gun safe collecting dust. It's a regulation that I see no reason for but I have to live with it for part of the hunting season. Similar to your Savage 219 suggestion, in other posts Exchipy has shared photos of his very nice TCR 83 Aristocrat which had the same lines as your Savage suggestion but is still inadequate for my particular area:
They could take their cues from the Savage 219, IMO about the most graceful budget priced break open ever made.
I agree that that is a very nice-looking single-shot rifle. The only "problem" with it is it doesn't meet the requirements for hunting in certain areas & manufacturers might take that into consideration. For hunting seasons in a variety of locations (i.e. if someone was trying to design a "universal" rifle instead of an elegant one), then it would at a minimum have to have the following features to check off the largest number of regulation requirements:
1. Breech loaded 2. Exposed hammer 3. Chambered in calibers .35 or greater 4. Chambered in a straight-walled cartridge
Item 1, 2 & 3 are what I have to primitive hunt under in LA & MS. Item #2 (which negates your excellent suggestion) is what keeps my beloved Ruger #1 chambered in 9.3x74r stuck in my gun safe collecting dust. It's a regulation that I see no reason for but I have to live with it for part of the hunting season. Similar to your Savage 219 suggestion, in other posts Exchipy has shared photos of his very nice TCR 83 Aristocrat which had the same lines as your Savage suggestion but is still inadequate for my particular area:
You summed that up pretty well. Now add in that it has to be affordable so people will actually buy them. Henrys and CVAs may fall short in some ways, but they are affordable, and people are buying them. I’m not sure there’s much room for another similar rifle.
If they can come in with some sort of decent break action closer to CVA's prices than Henry's they might do ok with it, because there is a bit of a gap between the brand price points.
Iron sights would be a plus; the lack thereof is my main rub with the Scouts.
Maybe they’re thinking of bringing back the Number 3 but under the Marlin banner.
No. As I've been trying to say they're bringing back the H&R handi rifle with their spin on it. That was initially the brand they wanted even before Marlin but they didn't like the price
A Mannlicher stock might be fitting for this, depending on design.
One can only dream!
A Mannlicher #1 would be awesome. Wont hold my breath on either.
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I would be delighted if they bought the patent for Savage model 219. - Sherwood
Unnecessary, as any applicable patents are very long expired. So, it’s open season, should someone actually want to reverse engineer an exact duplicate of the Savage 219. Now, who would be sufficiently motivated to do it, if anyone?
I have several single shots at present including two older Contender carbines, a Hernry, a CVA Scout and a NEF Handi Rifle. I have owned a couple of #1'and a #3. The Rugers were excellent. I also would love to see the 219 design resurrected. Even a remake of the Winchester 37 (original) in straight wall chamberings. Don't know about strength, tjough. The older TCs are hard to open, the CVA is plastic ugly, and the NEF is clunky (and is a handful in 45-70). I'm quite happy n with my Henry other than the excessive drop in the stock. I had to add a lace on riser to be able to use a scope. Killed the first legal rifle shot deer on my land in a hundred years with the CVA Scout 44. I can remember when CVA started out with poor Spanish made muzzle loader copies that were synonymous with the word "junk". They make some pretty good stuff these days.
I was very happy to read of the possibility of an H&R style single shot rifle from Marlin! I enjoy shooting my 45-70 Buffalo Classic and my son killed his first 7 turkeys with an H&R 20 gauge single shot. I have a new great grandson that I would like to buy one for as he will probably grow up in a state that would make that type rifle, in 560 Buckhammer, ideal. And all that I have read about that cartridge impresses me. However, I used the "Tell the CEO" feature on the Ruger website and received the response "Marlin has no plans for a single shot at this time, sorry." I hope they change their minds before he needs it! Tom
A high wall rather than the low wall type shown. I had a Ballard someone had put a 45-70 barrel on and I never felt safe with even trapdoor loads. The one I built from a Numrich kit (stock fire end sand barrel for $48) was a different story. I’d like to see a Rolling Block at a non-Pedersoli price.
I stand corrected Quite handsome Are they still being produced?
Unfortunately, they are not. It seems there’s insufficient financial incentive to resurrect their production in the U.S., even though German made Kipplaufs are so very expensive here. Though it might at first appear easy to reverse engineer the discontinued rifles, not enough of them could be sold at the price level needed to recover the necessary development costs (hey, it’s a tough business). As your original post suggested, there’s simply not enough popular demand for them. Too bad.
A high wall rather than the low wall type shown. I had a Ballard someone had put a 45-70 barrel on and I never felt safe with even trapdoor loads. The one I built from a Numrich kit (stock fire end sand barrel for $48) was a different story. I’d like to see a Rolling Block at a non-Pedersoli price.
Depends on which Ballard action it is. A forged receiver, versus a cast receiver - no problem. They were offered in thunderous black powder chamberings back in the day and are viable today - use as such for 130 years and counting is testimony to that. (My .40-65 is built on a Ballard Pacific action.) If a guy has it in his head to shoot mega loads he's well advised to utilize a modern action, but standard (sane) loads are perfectly ok in a forged Ballard action. Even the Trapdoor has strength in excess of what's been ballyhoo'ed in the press and across gunshop countertops for the last 100 years.
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Making a break open single in modern CF calibers didn't work so well for the Knight.
I had 1 with 2 barrels, minute of pie plate was the norm and they were heavy.
Love ‘em or hate ‘em, the Henrys are perennially hard to come by, in some calibers and all gauges. Somebody’s buying them. The two rifles I bought were/are plenty accurate, and my .410 is a peach. A little heavy, especially the larger calibers, but generally very nice to nearly stunning wood, and nicely finished. Might shoot my .410 at some clays today, red dot and all.