Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Would The Founding Fathers Have Written It Different Today?

Just follow the manufacturing. You'll see who the emerging world powers are and why.

Yeah, 'cause folks like cheap crap that can kill their kids.

military presence around the world can be debated as to the merits or disadvantages of where and when.

what you can afford to do and what you can't isn't open for debate or do they not have history books in Texas?

"but ma I've got to have cable and a new F150. I'll find another job one of these days!" (number of zeros is all that separates the two thought processes)

I was certainly one of those who backed Ron Paul. Unfortunately, he couldn't swim against the MSM who alternately ignored and made fun of him. His ideas were and are sound. There were a whole lot more Campfire denizens than eight who supported Dr. Paul. Once Dr. Paul was out, I supported McCain as the lesser of two evils. McCain would not have made a good President, although IMO he was better than either Mitt Romney or Rudy Guliani, two other also-rans who at least had a shot at the top spot. I wonder if Obama's election was preferable to McCain's as we now have a clear enemy to fight...that is if he stays the path he followed as a Senator.

We need a good, conservative candidate to present to the American people in four. Jeb Bush ain't him.

Yep. As I recall, we outnumbered those who opposed him on The Fire.Same here.Absolutely. No more Bushes. Someone who shares Ron Paul's politics, but with perhaps more charisma.

Here's my vote. A really good guy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Poe

I think if the founding fathers could see where our country is going today they would shake their heads and simply say "we told you so."

Hey! Welcome back to the fridge! Hope you had a good trip.


Don't know if I made the band or not and caring is about as pointless as the moronic way the name is bandied about. I certainly supported Ron Paul and had a quote of his in my sig line area during the campaign.

I sometimes got involved in the pizzing that went on, but soon saw the futility of leading the blind through the scree slopes.

Oh, welcome back.

Yes. Article II would have the militia phrase removed, private property ownership would be added to the Bill of Rights, the general welfare phrase would be removed, the "all other powers" phrase would be strengthened, federal justice activities would be strictly limited, and there would be no lifetime appointments.

I agree they'd write it different today, to clearly state what they intended over 200 years ago.

Back in the 1700's when they wrote it, 90% of the citizens shared the same morals, values, and beliefs.

I won't claim to fully know what democrats believed in centuries ago, but it's safe to say they were not the communistic MF'ers that they have become today.

Unfortunately, BOTH parties became co opted by the "progressive" movement just after the turn of the 19th century. Our side had Teddy Roosevelt and Hoover, theirs had Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Things haven't been the same since.

True.

Or those with sattelites

Soviet Union
United States
France
Japan
China
United Kingdom
India
Israel
Iran

Woo Hoo, I made the cut. lol


If believing in sound fiscal policy, strict adherence to the Constitution and the FF's belief that the US should be non interventionists, I'll proudly wear that tin foil hat.


Now what should we call those who believe that we should allow the Federal Reserve to go unckecked or the people who believe it's our duty to rebuild Muslim countries hostile to the US or that lessening our freedoms and rights in the name of protection is to our benefit?

Sorry friends...in court for a bit!


The question truly is....if our FF's were around today, with pen in hands, would that wonderful document be vastly different?

Be honest! It's a nice cerebral exercise!

Depends on whether they themselves would have been corrupted by 200 years of our political system like so many of our politicians today.

That aside, there are so many principles in that document that stand the test of time- unfortunately people don't :-(

Too true! Nowadays everyone looks to government to solve their problems when it IS the problem. Creeping socialism. It started in 1900 and has been growing like a slow metasticizing cancer ever since. I think the patient is almost dead.

I guess the question is, would the FF's be sitting around dabbing quills in ink while tugging at their wigs and just appear as in an old Star Trek episode? If so, let's hope there's a Dr nearby....cause they ain't gonna believe how small this planet has gotten in 230 years.

Franklin will certainly find the ladies interesting....


(by the way, can you imagine how much smaller this joint is gonna be in another 230 years?)

tks for the welcome Mike.

I drug (according to the locals) and ice storm down with me, and then it was 60* when we went to fly out.

oh well I'm not high enough pay grade to complain bout weather, good to see the folks, take stock of the farms and collect some rent money from the farm leases.

isaac twas an interesting question,

for my money they would have been perhaps a bit more implicit in some terms.

2nd comes to mind, believe the thought process in those days is what self respecting man wouldn't have arms to draw upon should they be needed.

don't believe the FF's ideas and attitudes would be much different, but the expectations of todays populace and what is an expected role of government by that population has changed drastically.

the Constitution as written would be a great document to govern a country, too bad there's not one doing so.