Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Muley hunters, retire those .257 Roy's!

I'd better call Hoots and find out about the cartridges I've been using....they could also be wind sensitive, inadequate, or "easily bested". I'm so confused!
I don't know what I'm going to do this season...what if I see mule deer, and I'm not properly armed?
Sure glad this came to light when it did, I have been seriously contemplating a .257 Roy
Maybe it would be OK for antelope, they're smaller and the wind never blows where they live....
Ingwe

total assclown.....that was one of the absolutely dumbest articles I've ever read in a gun rag, and that's saying a lot.

Doesn't anyone proof read or question this stuff before it goes to print?

is that not the same guy who says the 7 mag won't do for mule deer either ?
...tj3006

The thing that bothered me the most is that he does not have to have ever shot a Roy to know that it bucks wind better than most of the cartridges he was speaking of. A simple scan of an ammo catalog, or run the numbers through a program, and it would tell him so. I think he just didn't care to get at the truth...and that is a sure sign of a writer who's career is sliding downward.

Evidently Hoots didn't gwt the memo regarding looking like an idiot when trying to be controversial.

According to my software a 100 grain TSX shot at 3600 ft/second drifts about 10 inches at 400 yards in a 10 mph crosswind.

A 180 grain .308 Partition shot at 2700 ft/second drifts about 12.5 inches. A 150 grain .308 Ballistic Tip at 2910 drifts about 12 inches.

Limited bullet availability sure is a problem, too. A quick check of my (partial) list of .25 caliber bullets came up with 25.

Give the boots to Hoots.

I let my subscription to all three Wolfe magazines run out at the exact time that Johnny B's last articles appeared (that was convienent).

Judging from this BS,maybe I need to send in an article or three to Wolfe.I'm thinking one about how the 222 Remington just won't cut it for prarie dogs anymore oughta be good.You have to have at least a 223 ya know.

That oughta be right up their alley.

WB.

Well that settles it for me..I think I'll take my '06 this year.

Yup,you do that.

While you're at it,mail that POS 257 Roy to me.There's no mulies up here.I'm assuming Hoots will allow blacktails to be killed by a 257 Roy.

If not,I'm going to start feeling really undergunned toting my 22 Hi-Power this year!

WB.

Yeah, and 80 grains of TTSX @ 3800 f/s won't be out in the wind very long either. Might get the job done methinks.

1flier

The Roy? Hell a 25-06 with a 110gr AB @3200 vs a .300 WSM with a 180gr AB @3000, is within about 2/10" @ 500 yards with a 10mph crosswind. The 25-06 is marginally flatter.

Add 2-300 fps to the equation for the Roy.

Perhaps he could change his name Lee J. Asstriliquist.

I started subscribing to Guns Magazine where JB is contributing in every issue w/ multiple articles per issue.

I don't sub to Wolfe anymore that Editor in Chief, or whatever the title, is a piece of work.

The owner/president is a nice guy though, not sure why he keeps the guy around...must have a multi-year contract.

That does it! I think Jeff O IS Lee Hoots.

The reference to wind drift is interesting. I seriously doubt that one shooter in 50,who hunts the west each year for mule deer, truly KNOWS how to hold in a full-value wind at 500 yards(or 300 for that matter),Hoots included.

Such knowledge and ability is reserved for the match shooters of vast experience,and guys who have hunted the west for varmints and fired thousands of rounds under actual conditions.

Biggest bunch of crap I've read in a long time. How a cartridges availability or popularity has any effect on it's performance on game animals is a new one on me? As far as the 7mm being too heavy I wonder what the weight difference is between a 30-06 with a 24" barrel and a 7mm with a 24" barrel? How many inexperienced hunters are now wondering if their new 270's and 7mm's will even kill a Mule deer? This guy dosen't know $#!+ from shinola.

A couple of years ago,I spent a good bit of time getting ready for an Arizona antelope hunt.

I shot three rifles out to 500 yards with different wind conditions to get a feel for their trajectory and drift in actual field condtions.

I used a 257 Weatherby Vanguard with 115 grain balistic tips,a McWhorter Custom M700 in 7mm Weaherby Mag with 150 Sierra Gamekings,and an Ed Brown Damara in 300 Win Mag with 180 Accubonds.

The 257 Weatherby shot flatter and had less drift all the way out to 500 yards. The 300 Mag had the most drop and wind drift.

My little test tells me that Hoots has never actually shot a 257 Weatherby and compared it to a 300 mag.

If I am hunting for a trophy mule deer in open country,I would prefer my 257 Weatherby to any of my 300 mags. The 257 will kick less and shoot flatter and in my experience drift less in wind out to 500 yards.

Hoots doesn't know how foolish this whole article comes across to shooters with real experience. Scovill,the editor surely knew that this article was utterly stupid,and published it anyway.

I have been doubting Scovill's ability since he published an article in which he criticized people who want good quality triggers on all of their big game rifles. He said people ought to quit whinin' about lousy trigger pulls and just get used to them and learn how to shoot.

Again,most experienced shooters know the value of a properly adjusted trigger when we actually want to hit what we're aiming at.

Hoots is about worthless as a serious gunwriter,and Scovill isn't doing his job either IMHO.

Now I face a great moral dilemma--do I tell my son how irresponsible I was in allowing him to shoot this buck (375 yds) with such a fundamentally inappropriate cartridge?

Nope I wouldn't tell him, nor would I tell him that his bolt is sitting on the wrong side...

Dober

It is there so he can grab the gun from the right side.