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I don't believe the plug is needed for enforcement as they bagged up the shavings that came from my ram's horns like they were going to be tested.
Now I do however, believe that the sealing program is being used for enforcement. Lord knows how many sublegal rams have been taken over the years without anyone knowing about it other than the shooter prior to the sealing program.
My biggest gripe with the sealing program is that if you take a ram to several different offices to get sealed, you will get a different answer from each person that looks at it, have heard numerous horror stories about this over the last few years.
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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I have seen some classic calls. Two people counting differences of two years and different counts for each horn on the same sheep...
And I do not think it is the sheeps' fault...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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If your 1/2" short you might as well be 10"s short as it makes no difference up here Sure puts "ground shrinkage" into a differant light given what could happen and after all the hard work!! A couple years back a shot a Roe Buck by mistake (out of season it had 1 bollock and no antlers or pedicules or anything),I took it to the game dealers and told them what had happened,their reply...oh well never mind �1.40lb ok!!!
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OK. What would happen to the shooter if he thought he had shot a full curl or one that just made minimum requirement and he gets it plugged and it turns out its a 1/2inch short or so? In Alberta,people have been charged,and the horns seized because the horns were less than 1/4" short.You get a fine,and a hunting suspension,both of which vary with the circumstances.The bottom line is that if you aren't 100% sure that the ram is legal,don't shoot.
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Would anyone care to "label" some of the photos to show annual rings? It appears to be more difficult than you would think.
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F&G bioligist in AK cannot agree on how old a ram is when you take it in to be sealed. My rule is big or don,t shoot has to pass muster with all F&G when its sealed. If you are wrong you could loose all you came hunting with. Boat, plane, truck etc! If you have doubts don,t shoot!
Lots of old Dall rams never reach full curl but are legal, over 8 years old.
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AkMtnHntr: Have to agree with you guys on this one for sure. Never could understand the "logic" of only harvesting full curl rams. To do so, IMO, means the smarter, older rams aren't around to show the younger ones the best feeding & bedding areas, the best escape routes, etc. Continuance of the gene pool should be the main priority I should think. BTW, the guy I occasionally assistant guided for years ago never took more than about 1 ram off of a given mountain in a season. His small attempt at maintaining the gene pool in his area. I'm not a biologist but..... Bear in Fairbanks
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Pic of a legal AK Ram thats not full curl well over 8 yrs old.
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Like sheep hunting....See my post "Real Sheep Hunting" today in the General Big Game Forum
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Here's a giant ram some friends and I found dead in October here in Montana....evidently he was hit by another hunter and not recovered...8 years old, 41" X 17", 199 B&C. We turned it in the FWP, who packed it out the next day.
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Here's a pretty good bighorn ram...to put it in perspective I'm 6' 1" and weigh 205. This is one of the largest rams ever out of Montana...203 5/8" B&C. It was found dead in SW Montana. MarlinMark- This pic is about as good as it gets for counting rings.
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Here's a giant ram some friends and I found dead in October here in Montana....evidently he was hit by another hunter and not recovered...8 years old, 41" X 17", 199 B&C. We turned it in the FWP, who packed it out the next day. What a grand old Roman-nosed ram. Size and character. A trophy of a lifetime nearly lost. I'm glad you found him.
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In AK we can keep those...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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