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[quote=ColeYounger]I call it the Hammer, should hit like one. Next to the .452 360gr Cast Performance boolit. Sure like the looks of "Mr. Hammer"!!
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My God this is as silly as the 308 vs 30-06 debates. Anyone or anything hit in a vital area by a max load 44 mag or max loaded 45 colt will never know the difference as they will be DEAD. All the rest is like picking flysh-t out of the pepper.
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Well, the original poster wanted to know how/why does a 45 Colt compare to a 44 mag. Now he's got the answer. It does compare rather nicely when loaded with modern brass and used in the proper firearms. Pretty simple really. And yes, if a critter is hit in the vitals with either it will die. If the shooter has the luxury of shot placement that is. If not, as in a bear defense situation or if the moose or elk turns at the last second so the bullet has to travel through lots of flesh and bone, then the 350-360 gr bullet just might give that extra edge of needed penetration. Which then of course brings us to the issue of how big of a handgun/caliber is one willing to carry that he can shoot proficiently. A 460, a 475, a 500?? A lower pressure/lower recoiling 45 Colt may also just give the shooter a better chance at the second follow up shot if he's not lunch meat after getting first one off. Hopefully I'll never find out! I"ve come close but not THAT close thankfully.
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Not even going to bring up using (trimmed 454 brass).....
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I don't pay much attention to a lot of the miniscule stuff. I just pick the right bullet and velocity for the job and go hunting/shooting.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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My God this is as silly as the 308 vs 30-06 debates. Anyone or anything hit in a vital area by a max load 44 mag or max loaded 45 colt will never know the difference as they will be DEAD. All the rest is like picking flysh-t out of the pepper. I'd guess all here know that but it's discussing things you like and know which is why it comes down to minutiae....like what, 80% of all the other this-cartridge-vs.-that cartridge discussions on this site. Both are great cartridges. I think the main point is the 44 mag hit the public in full stride, while the 45 Colt had slowly been jogging along in its weaker guns. Now that there are strong revolvers it to can become a sprinter.
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THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Y'all have wild hogs in Idaho? I didn't know.
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The SD arguement is lame and the Ruger 45 Colts can and do fire 30,000 Cup loads afely. This has been very throughly covered in print many times. As a matter of fact Buffalo Bore factory loads bear this out with 325 grain LFN hard cast at 1350 FPS in 45 Colt
Absolutely! Very old news. The loads in manuals like Speer (some editions anyway) depend on who wrote up the cartridge. Guys like Venturino are traditional and adhere to traditional Colt loads of a 255-gr at 900 fps which is fine but it's not the whole story; An "older" Speer manual-not that old-still touts the old line that Colt brass in inherently weak. IOW, the manuals are not always that complete in their info or even always correct. The 45 Colt brass is weak if one is useing the old balck powder balloon head cases, since the balloon head casses have not been produced for several decades it is no longer a true statement Personally, I wasn't arguing on the basis of brass. I've posted so much on this subject of late, that I don't know where I've said what. Somewhere I said balloon head cases are so scarce and collectible that you would have a hard time finding one, let alone reloading it with a hot load. If you're going on the basis of how much the case will hold alone, the 44-40 holds more than the .44 Magnum and so should be able to exceed its velocities...
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Mack, I'm starting to think you don't like jackrabbits...
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. Robert Frost
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Y'all have wild hogs in Idaho? I didn't know.
We did, but I killed him and ate him.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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Cole, They are not wild. There is a rancher that imported them. I don't think he knew he was shot with an inferior .44 mag load of 10 grains Unique and a 240 grain cast SWC.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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In my 5.5" Redhawk I get 1200 fps or so with the 300 XTP with H110 in my 44 mag.
In my 45 colt Ruger Bisley Black hawk 5.5" barrel I get the same exact thing with 300 XTP and H110. I rarely load them to this though.
Nothing really that much different. One has higher sectional density the other slightly higher cross sectional area.
Flip a coin.
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Not much to add except the guys I know who only shoot max loads don't shoot much. I've found that the .41, .44, and .45 loaded with a hard cast bullet at 950 fps will drop a deer (or jackrabbit) if I hit it in the right place.
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Not much to add except the guys I know who only shoot max loads don't shoot much. I've found that the .41, .44, and .45 loaded with a hard cast bullet at 950 fps will drop a deer (or jackrabbit) if I hit it in the right place. So does the 45 ACP. They really make a mush of the lungs
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Not much to add except the guys I know who only shoot max loads don't shoot much. I've found that the .41, .44, and .45 loaded with a hard cast bullet at 950 fps will drop a deer (or jackrabbit) if I hit it in the right place. So does the 45 ACP. They really make a mush of the lungs I agree but bullet selection is really important with that round (not that it isn't with others). The first deer I killed with a 45 ACP was with 185 gr. Silvertips - that was a mistake. Penetration was horrible. The next deer was with a 225 gr hard cast at about 950 fps - it worked much better.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
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Hard cast are hard to beat in any handgun IMHO, even for personal defence
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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You like those so called "safe" Buffalo Bore loads, you shoot'em. I've seen several of them lock up Marlin lever guns that they are suppose to be designed for. No thanks. E
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I do shoot them and have shot equivelent reloads for many years before Buffalo Bore came on the scene.
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