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This is another reason why it is difficult for someone to sell a used high dollar scope in a limited market through the classifieds at a near new asking price. A person in the market for such a scope is more than likely willing to pay a few dollars more to get a new scope sealed in the box to guarantee that the previous owner did not improperly install the scope and wrench it out of wack. Buyers tend to gamble on an unknown scope only when the price is marked down well below cost.

I'm starting to think that very few actually know how to properly mount a scope:(

Best:)

and there you have it, probably could have saved 500 million emails regards Leupold failures..

Those words of John Barnes "farmer tight" pops into mind.

Jim62 thanks for sharing your extensive knowledge but again I have been around a rifle or two as well.

Well Jimmy P.

I did not post here to help you at all.

I responded to provide a little bit of a truthful counterpoint to your post about the rear ring placment somehow being all Leupold's fault on any given rifle scope combo..

If you have "been around a rifle or two" it sure has not improved your intellect much.

jim62 reminds me of another x-spert azz-hat we used to have here some years back. Rude self absorbed know it all's.

He's full of crap with no content.

I'm going to flush him down the ignore.

That's fine... SU35.

Now you and old JimmyP can go back to sucking each other's Charizos .

You seem to do a lot of that around here.

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You're to late crap-head.

Looking in the mirror again?

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LOL,

Glad you posted MD to add your considerable credibilty to this subject. I'll also take the opportunity to add that D'Arcy Echols, arguably one of the finest gunmakers anywhere, also recommeds Leupolds for this Big Bores because of their durability. So clearly it's not about the name, just great value for one tough scope. jorge

There was a interesting quote from Mr. Echols recently... shoulda bookmarked it, dang it... anyway it was to the effect that he/they hate all scopes equally.

Guys,
15 pages of a lot of scope talk and a large percentage of it BS. We have beat this horse to death. Where it's made, how many fail, scope mounting issues, tracking issues, and on and on. A Leupold employee cleared it all up for us on page 13. Torque specs cleared up and published in every set of instructions included with every scope also cleared up for those that don't take the time to read the instructions.
600 Americans working at the Beaverton facility at good paying jobs manufacturing a good quality product and selling tens of thousands of them annually. I think we should support them not try and tear them down.
Like i have mentioned in previous posts tell me how many scopes Leupold has built and how many have actually failed not including the ones that were used to turn the front ring into the base, the ones that the rings were torqued too tight on, the ones installed on rifles drilled and tapped off center that are sprung before they are ever used and that run out of windage adjustment before they zero.
My bet is the return for repair and warranty where the problem is actually a manufacturing defect is so low the percentage so small that it probably won't compute. Everyone in business strives for a perfect product and for every customer to be satisfied but in our world that is an impossible feat.
No one does it in the optics business nor do they do it in my business or any other. Knowing that Leupold is making scopes and working at 100% of their manufacturing capacity should tell us something. It tells me there are a whole lot more customers tickled with the Leupold product than those that are not.
Citing a suspected or alleged failure is one thing bashing the product and/or calling each other names is something entirely different. My Bible verse of the day today is Psalms 19 V:14.

Dave

Jim what are you 62 years old? You must have led a long and bitter life or just recently gone through a bad divorce or something. I cannot possibly think of why anyone could come across in the course of a normal conversation as antagonistic as you are without just cause. Or perhaps you fancy yourself a bully? Well keep up the angry attacking postings in regards to any opinion that is contrary to what you accept as truth and I am sure you will go the same way that oldman1942 did.

Well..JimmyP let me ask you the same question..

What the [bleep] is YOUR problem???

I merely ANSWERED your post about the ring placement with FACTS.

I did not denegrate you or make fun of you, just disagreed with your take on the situation about the ring placement.

That's all.

YOU on the other hand respond with the snide comment about "having been around a rifle or two"..

Maybe you should take your own advice and stop acting like such an azzhole yourself.

I'll start by humming a few bars............


Sound card needed...


Leupold by ya my Lord.....Leupold by ya......

Dave,

Great post. Especially that first paragraph.

Me and Jim62 had a go around a while back but have since had very cordial dealings and he is a very knowledgable and skilled gun enthusiast who is quite willing to help those who ask.

jim62 & SU35,

Obviously the two of you are unable to agree to disagree. Rather than calling each other names on the threads please do it by PMs.

sincerely, idahoguy101

Politics, religion, and the Optics forum........

Part of the reason Echols & Co. hates all scopes (well, not all, but most) is that his customers keep insisting on putting high-power variables on all their rifles, no matter what they're chambered for. "Really high-powered" means any scope that needs parallax adjustment--yet another moving part that can go sproing under stress.

Obviously, this is pretty much nuts on a rifle meant for shooting big animals at moderate ranges. But many people want to shoot those 1/2" groups even with a .375 H&H, but some even demand it from bigger rifles. (As D'Arcy once said during one of our fairly frequent phone conversations about scopes, "Just how -------- small are these elephants they're shooting these days?")

A higher-powered, parallax adjustable scope tends to work fine on a hard-kicking rifle IF it's a true tactical scope, but not so good if it's a lightweight scope, no matter who makes it.

By the way, D'Arcy firmly agrees with me that fixed-powers are tougher in lightweight scopes, one reason among many that I have been converting my harder-kicking rifles to fixed powers over the past few years. But he has made very little headway with his customers in that directions, partly because most of them believe that any expensive variable is super-tough.

All of this is why he doesn't mount the scopes customers buy anymore--until the final shipping when he sends the whole package off. Instead he tests the rifles with his scopes, which as I recall are a 3x Leupld for the really big rifles and a 16x Leupold Mark 4 for the smaller, longer-range rifles. Or at least they were the last time we talked about it.

Idaho,
As much as I appreciated Jim62's comment about my post my advice would be the same as yours to anyone posting in any thread on the Campfire. Every time I look here for load info or new and neat gun and reloading or fishing advice someone turns a thread or two into a weiner measuring contest and/or there are those (and we know who they are) who dominate the forum in practically all categories who seem to never be wrong about any topic.
The optics forum and ask the gunwriters are the favorites for the name calling and product, political or personal bashing. I have noticed in the past few days that Rick is injecting some new topics for discussion and they are welcome. On the CAmpfire there for everyone to see are a few posting regularly and dominating the discussions and members are staying off the forum because of its current content.
I certainly feel that way sometime. There are a ton of good posters on this forum that post useful info about topics that interest us all and a ton of guys and gals that have a lot of experiences that I would like to read about but having to sift through all the BS to get to the good is getting tougher.
If everyone would just relax and have fun it would help alot. The elementary behavior resulting in bomb throwing and name calling is ridiculous and it would be nice if it stopped.
Every weekend some racer threatens a promoter and says they are never coming back when they are the product of a rule or procedural enforcement. Those are the most famous words in racing. The driver and his crew are the first through the pit gate the following weekend. My point is enforce some rules of standard etiquette and behavior and things will straighten up quick.
If someone thinks they are right all the time then by all means run for office. That way there is a good chrony reading of how right you really are.

Dave