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Here is one that I keep by my computer: Geronimo is the left horseman. The others, left to right, are Perico (holding the baby),Naiche and Tsisnah.



The photo was taken by C. S. Fly in the Sierra Madre of Mexico in 1886, shortly before Geronimo surrendered to General Nelson A. Miles.

my great grandfather was Lipan Apache

Btw has anyone seem deadliest warriors on spike? An Apache's short range weapon of choise was a knife.

What a great comparison to such a warrior, my guess is that he would be pleased.

one of my daughter's favorite shirts:

There are myriad books about the various Apache tribes and bands, and I've read quite a few, but my favorite is "Life Among The Apaches 1850-1868", by John C. Cremony, Rio Grande Press, (c)1970. My edition is a printing from the original book by Cremony, published in 1868.

Cremony was there right in the middle of the Apaches, was very fluent in the Apache language, and became, to a degree, friendly with the great Apache leader, Mangus Colorado.

If you want a very interesting read about Apaches of "the old days," pick up a copy of Cremony's book.

L.W.

Cremony's book is necessary reading for anyone seriously interested in a first hand account of the Apaches with which he lived. However, a significant number of the accounts and events that he included contain misinformation or are just plain wrong. The written history of the Apache is rife with anglo ego-centric points of view.

Some of the better stuff comes from the writings of Grenville Goodwin, a self-trained anthropologist who lived with the Apaches in Arizona and New Mexico while some of the old-timers were still around. Despite his lack of formal training, his work was valued by colleagues in academia and several books detailing his observations have been published.

Most wouldn't understand the reference, nice to know some do.

A Manzanita, especially that size is something that will stand tall and nothing will move it except old age and time, it can't be defeated in battle. You go around, can't go through, the arms will bend then snap you back like a slingshot, and that's the medium sized ones. I swear you could take the branches and make leaf springs out of them. Hard as ironwood.

This was the outside edge of a huge grove running down a ridge for almost a mile, only a couple times have I ventured inside and it's a dead end maze. Should have taken a picture of the bear poop along the edges as they ate the berries, it was everywhere, thought it would be a Chitty picture literally. Many animals live inside for protection, elk, deer, bear especially like manzanita.

Anyway, spread your arms to block entrance, throw back intruders, protect those that reside there, impervious to attack.

I am.... Geronimo...

Anyone else want to take up the mantra?

Kent

Want to read about Geronimo read Tom Horn written by Tom Horn. Horn knew Geronimo personally and lived with him. A very good read if you haven't read it.

I have that picture hanging over my desk as i type this, and i have a rifle similar to that that came off the san carlos reservation, and i have a arrow that is attributed to his clan. I think of him all the time, and he belongs back in arizona, not where the federal government parked him.

i do not know about that, i sure as h*ll have spilt enough whiskey in my day with apaches.

Not really, up to the time he surrendered to Crook he could literally still run with the horses all day long.

The Apaches were strong family people, he couldn't give up his family and taking them on the run had become to much of a burden. He would not leave them on a Reservation.

While in OK Geronimo would show off or display his highly athletic skills to writers well up into old age.

The Apache was the greatest guerrilla warfare specialist of all time, ime. His closest relative were the Indians in the Yukon area of Alaska and Canada. The ones the Jack London described in his book Call of the Wild.

The Apache were pretty keen on raiding the Navajo
shepherd/farmers and taking from them.

Here's picture of a buck with his wife, Fort Apache.



I lived in Gen. Crooks home on officers row Fort Apache during the summers till it was turned into a museum mainly because of all the Apache artifacts that my family collected and hung on the walls.

I am.... Geronimo...

Anyone else want to take up the mantra?

Kent

I believe i understand your frame of reference, so to speak.

when geronimo is mentioned i must always add this, it is my understanding that not all of his band surrendered.
Supposedly from what i have read they were still running wild into the 1920's/30's. Mexico and this country until that point mounted various expeditions against them but were never able to do the job.

Some serious truth to that.

Any of the Native American's still cause trouble?? I know up on the Canadian border elements of the Mowhawks have been in confrontation.

They picture below became one of those iconic pictures taken during one of those "confrontations"

'when geronimo is mentioned i must always add this, it is my understanding that not all of his band surrendered.
Supposedly from what i have read they were still running wild into the 1920's/30's. Mexico and this country until that point mounted various expeditions against them but were never able to do the job."

The "Bronco" Apaches were a small remnant that remained in the Sierra Madre until probably almost 1940. They probably never numbered more than 30-40 at any one time.

In 1927, a small group surprised Francisco Fimbres and his wife Maria Dolores, who were traveling from their home in Nacori Chico to Pinos Altos, the site of a gold mine 40 kilometers up in the Sierra Madre. Maria Dolores was killed and their little boy, three year old Gerardo was kidnapped. (Their baby, Soledad, had been left at home). Francisco had given Maria Dolores (who was pregnant with their fourth child) his horse to ride and was walking with his two-year old daughter Vicki on Maria's horse when they were jumped by Apaches at a sharp bend on a narrow trail.

The attack was so quick that Fimbres could do nothing. The Apaches pulled down the horse that Maria was riding and stabbed her and slit her throat, throwing her body down into the canyon below the trail. Fimbres' rifle was in a scabbard on the horse that Maria had been riding and he had no chance to get to it. If he had tried, probably both he and Vicki would have been killed as well.

Fimbres' father in law was a relatively wealthy rancher and he financed many expeditions to try and punish the Apaches. At one time, Americans were forming an expedition comprised of wealthy sportsmen to travel into the Sierra to hunt, fish and chase Apaches. It attracted a lot attention in the east coast and west coast papers, but was quashed by the U.S. State Department before they could cross into Mexico from Douglas, AZ.

Finally, in the early 1930s, one of Fimbres' sorties did catch a small band of Apaches in a camp--mostly women and children. One Apache woman said that Gerardo, who would not stop crying, had been killed shortly after the kidnapping by one of the women who bashed his head in with a rock.

By the time that Grenville Goodwin started trying to make contact with these Apaches around 1940, with the help of Apache friends from the San Carlos Reservation, they could find only camps that had been unused for several years..

Wounded Knee is still wounded, I don't think they've gotten over it. Don't know if they ever will.

Most tribes today are more concerned with profits from gambling casinos.


Mudhen, very interesting.

Google "AIM" ( American Indian Movement ),...and Leonard Peltier, for starters , Pete.

If you run short, get back to me.

GTC

Should sent them blankets like the British supposedly did up north....