Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Dear Leupold

Yup.Neither has Rick, Matt ect.Food for thought.

This isn't just about rifles, it's also about personalities and egos.

Shipping rifles to some third party won't settle this......this needs to be a face to face deal........

Question on the table is, who has the stones to actually show up????

Disagree.

John is selling a system and not HIS shooting ability.

I don't give a damn about whether John or BS or anyone else is a better shot. It's about the equipment pure and simple.

the whole thing started when Burns said his rifle would "out perform" any other LR hunting system ...

so it IS squarely about the performance of the rifle, and NOT about egos and/or pitting one shooter's ability against another ...

not saying ego's haven't entered into this thread ... just simply that the 'test' is about nothing other than rifle system performance ...

I lived in Alaska for almost 9 years and the only reason I ever left was when my sister was murdered. I can't imagine leaving Alaska to go to the other 49, much less to do something I could do in my backyard. YMMV

Thanks Steelie - hours of fun in this one...

So, let HIM prove it.......

and let those who say their system is better prove him wrong.......

I don't see this as purely an equipment question.......if it was, we could just lock each one down in a vice and use a remote trigger.......but where is the fun in that??

Regardless, larry's nothing but a coward if he doesnt shoot. You know it, I know it, and so does larry.

I don't know it. What I do know is he has helped countless folks on here, he's never been on here beating a drum to make money.

I am way ahead of you boys on letting the MT contingent shoot my rifles. My big concern is how to get it done as soon as is reasonable for all concerned.

I think Scenarshooter and I are going to have a few day of fun shootin this spring when hunting seasons quit and then when the weather cooperates and I think you can expect a fair evaul from him, and he might just be a pretty hard guy to BS.

Mule Deer would be a great guy to have shoot the system but I would hesitate to volunteer him as his schedule and interest are his own.

The big deal is Little Fish and his total lack of confidence in himself. I have seen him be the total jackass and now that he can put up or shut up he hides. Money is not a problem and time off is not a problem so what is the problem????

Whether or not any of you are a potential customer of me or not I think Little Fish has shown his true colors tonight and for me that is good enough.

I build a quality setup that delivers as all can see from the videos, if that is not for you great, but if someone wants a finished rifle that will hunt right out of the box I think I do a pretty good job.


Steelhead,

You had your chance to shut me up and you hid so what�s up now???

Let�s play with the best you got buddy.

It so easy when you goof balls think those toys you carry will run with the big boys.

My jackass attitude is not intended to pizz anyone else off but the few who are named here.

I know it comes off strong but sometimes you have to put up or shut up and I hope the sane will give me some slack here as I call these punks out.

That's part of it.

Hell, why not push for BOTH?

Get the 3rd party eval of the systems AND have each of the "players" together to go head-to-head with their system.

Cake, and eat it, too.

You'll do that all by yourself.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.......a challenge was made and now we are waiting to see if this is all just big talk.......so far John Burns is the only one willing to back up his claims......

Then get John to fly himself and his rifle system up to Alaska and go at it ...

Stick and John shooting against each other proves exactly nothing to the guy looking to spend their money on a quality shooting/hunting system which performs.

Unless of course you're hiring either one to pull the trigger for you.

Stop making sense ...

Come on. Do you really expect someone to travel from AK to MT to settle and internet dispute? Is Burns willing to travel to AK? That would be interesting..(grin)

Ditto having either one or both there with the rifle to coach.

A "turn key system", ready to go, ought not need someone to teach you to use it, regardless of whether Burns builds it, or Larry specs it, or Remington produces it.

John;

Still curious as to your earlier comment about load development.

Are you saying that the "system" that you build doesn't have load development nor a drop chart done for the rifle? How, then, is the ammunition you provide with it as part of the package done up, if it's not load developed for that rifle?

Right. Here is one of Stick's 'turn key' rifles (secondhand rose).

He handed it to me, I dialed what his chart read, chambered a round and center punched the steel at @750 yards MPJA. First time I ever touched the rifle.