Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire My brothers friend has a attitued problem (question)

Jeff, step off, yo. That's my patient you're trying to poach, and he's in to me for like almost a buck fifty in fees already. Five points a week juice, BTW. Standard.

Have a good day, Enrique, and be safe.

I remember an uncle telling my dad to FO when U was 14 or 15. An uncle I used to have... This was back in the 70's when the F bomb wasn't such common vernacular as today, especially among yutes, and extra especially at adults. This was in a shop setting, mind you, which of course had different rules about language than the home setting where moms and aunts and etc were present. Anyway, dad took one look at grandpa, shock on his face quite appearent, and seeing grandpa wasn't going to say or do anything started towards uncle with full intent of whopping his mouthing off little ass. (for clarity's sake, this is U and G from mom's family. ie dad's inlaws) Grandad immediately got between them and said "don't you lay a hand on that kid!"
Dad was shocked, once again.

He spoke of this incident often as I grew towards and into manhood. He and I both always wondered if things wouldn't have turned out better for that particular uncle if grandpa had let him kick the kid's ass. Or better still had disciplined him himself, not only on this incident but many others, as well. This uncle was forever more mouthy towards adults, especially after having been encouraged by grandpa's actions that day. He was always getting in fights, always in trouble of some sort, in school, at work on the streets and where ever. Problems grew worse as he approached and grew into manhood. Always running with the wrong crowds and always continuing along with that mouth of his, many times getting himself in trouble even among his peers. I should add at this piont that he did take good care of his mother (my grandmother) and wouldn't tolerate disrespect towards women from anyone, but outside the presence of women it was anything goes with this guy. He ended up running with some pretty tough crowds and ended up getting his ass beaten down pretty badly by every one of them. He'd just move along and find the next wrong crowd to run with until he finally alienated them enough to kick his ass, too, and leave him for dead. These crowds were into the drug scene and that got him into more trouble. Downward spiral, faster and faster. In trouble with the law and in trouble with all the crowds he used to be a part of, he ended up with no friends and most of his own relatives resenting or at least avoiding him.
I think if grandpa had let dad beat his butt that day things may have been better for him.

He ended up over dosing on drugs and laying dead on the floor in his mid 40's. By that time he was a broken shell of a man with a broken hearted mother and family. He never did learn proper discipline, from within or without. His life was a disaster. A lot of people who were once friends of his, having heard of his death, said "good".

Take this story for whatever it's worth to ya. I say disciplining a child is a good thing. I gave my brother in law a spanking when he was 14 for all the time saying F this and F that in front of my step-daughter when she was 4 to 5. I had asked him repeatedly to not do it. He'd jsut say "FU". Finally one day I had had enough and let him have it out in the yard. I was 28 or 29 at the time and in the struggle his glasses were broken. He ran to his dad and said "look at my new 180 dollar glasses" thinking his dad would fly off the handle at me. Father in law simply said "well, you should have done as he requested and not used the F word around a little girl." And that was the end of that. That kid (a man now) always had problems but he knew from then on where the lines were drawn and actually turned out pretty good, all things considered. Another story to take for whatever it's worth to ya...

Your profession will always come into play. I've had many a 14 yr olds telling me to [bleep] off over the years. The nature of today's beast. It don't mean chit to me unless it's someone I'm responsible for....

You brought the whole thing on by your dumb ass question. including the remark to your mother. she diden't respond because she knew the kid was telling the truth. remember your mother knows you better than anyone else in the world. had you asked me that I would of responded by breaking your big nose..keep it out of others business. no I am not gay but I don't care who else is.

If you were to scroll back, you'd see he was mine, 15 posts ahead of you butting in...

But I'll concede, I'm done, he's all yours.
Good luck collecting your fees.

I actually think he has seen the light but still feels the need to spin this into anything he can to get even the thinest thread of support on his side.....

I'd go a hundred bucks to have someone sent this thread to his brother......

Archerhunter,

Sorry to hear about your uncle and the grief he caused his mother, but I think you hit the nail on the head with:


Some never have it in them, and you said yourself, the guy had his butt beat down many a time.

Some people learn the hard way and some people never learn.

No one wants to be disrespected, young or old. The message taken from whipping someone's ass, is, "I can whip your ass".

Not, "you were disrespectful".

It may feel good, it may seem like the thing to do, it may be how things were done, back in the day.

Shame on the father-in-law (the kids Dad) for not disciplining the kid, but at least he stuck up for his own kid.

some folks don't raise their kids right, but that doesn't make it my responsibility to raise them.

Sycamore

Let me try to answer the questions you posed in the original post.
You: What should be done about this little punk?
Me: By you, Nothing, He ain't your problem.
You: It has seriously been on my mind for the past 3 days.
Me: Let it go,,, tie it to a bubble and let it fly free.
You: I talked to my dad about it...
Me: Good,,, It's his son, his son's friend, his wife, his house,,, let him handle it. Your parents can discuss the matter and decide what course of action to take. If you Mother was shocked at his language then she could have ordered him from the premises, and called the local police to enforce her wishes should he refuse.
You: I have no problem being called an [bleep], as I definitely can (be one)
Me: Since you started it by going uninvited into a 14 yr olds room and sticking your nose into their business, you were one. Accept it and walk away.
You: ... but being called that by a 14 year old punk kid and having him drop a F bomb on me makes me want to teach him a lesson.
Me: You cannot teach discipline until you learn discipline . You showed a lack of discipline when you entered the room and acted like an [bleep]. As a side note, the F word is not a "Bomb" to a 25 year old man or a 14 year old boy. Don't play the pious card,,, I'll wager that you and your peers use the word all the time.
You: If he wants to talk like an adult, should he be treated by an adult?
Me: No, because he is not an adult. You know it and he knows it, and all of society knows it. A rhetorical question as an example. If a 14 year girl acts like an adult, can I jump her bones like an adult? Not hardly. The results in court to such a defense are predictable.
You: I'm not saying whoop his ass, but I would like to THROW him out of the house... Would that be out of line?
Me: Yes. Very out of line. First of all, how ya gonna' do it? If you tell him to leave, gently or forcefully, you'll probably get another "F-Bomb" for your collection. And should you be stupid enough to lay so much as a finger upon his body, He'll be in the ER with an injured back, while his Mommy is on the phone to the PoPo getting a Criminal Complaint, and his Daddy is on the phone to his lawyer starting the Civil Action. Heads you lose, tails you lose.
Bottom line, IMHO,,, Learn from the experience and walk away.

Want my address so you can attempt to break my nose?

Are you a slow learner??

Some of us have tried to be patient and hope you'd take this as a learning experience and not just brutal criticism.

You went around talking trash to a 14 year-old who is NOT your son and NOT your brother. In other words, you had no business saying "boo" to the kid. Then, he had the UNMITIGATED GALL to actually say something back to you. NOW, you want to act like your mother grew up in Victorian England, and shouldn't have to tolerate the moral injustice of hearing the word "a**hole" uttered in her home to describe her son that goes around calling kids "homos".

I don't care if it was in your mom's house or not. The fact of the matter is, most mom's teach their children to be polite to house guests, even when their appearance or behavior might make that somewhat difficult. Apparently, you didn't learn that lesson, either.

The fact that you're a cop and we're not getting through to you IS scary. For US, and for YOU. I'd hate to see you lose your job/get called to appear in front of internal affairs because someone got under your skin or didn't show you enough respect and you took it too far.

You have certain responsibilities as an LEO to not respond to every little slight/insult that comes your way. You have the same responsibilities as an ADULT. Calling a kid a "homo" when you're 17 might get you a fistfight or a trip to the principal's office. Calling a kid a "homo" when you're 25 and getting in a fistfight can land you in the pen on federal hate-crime charges.

Please, please. I'm asking you to look at this as a "life-lesson" regarding when and where it is and isn't appropriate to comment on the way people look or act.

You just need to relax! The kids 14 in couple of years he will be 16 and start driving. If your are anything like most of the LEO I know you will get your revenge than. Be patient

+1. Good post!

FWIW, he's not a street cop.

FCW80, what would've happened if the kid told you that he was gay?

Damm that is retro! I can almost hear the themes from Starsky and Hutch and The Mod Squad playing in the background. I can visualize Robert Blake squinting, his parrot on his shoulder and telling some dude, "don't do the time if you can't do the time". "Many of his fellow officers considered him the most dangerous man alive - An honest cop."

Probably "don't touch my junk".

If that were my kid and I found out he talked like that to an adult, he'd get a proper knock upside the head. Use to be kids had respect for adults, doesn't seem to be the case anymore. I can understand him getting upset about the homo reference but dropping an f-bomb is out of line, especially for a 14 year old KID. Yes, he is still a little kid and he should watch his mouth around adults.

Also, your brother should have had a talk with him about his foul mouth without feeling he has to punch the chit out of him for it too.

I rock it old school.

What part of " You started it" don't you understand? If you would have kept your MOUTH shut,this wouldn't have transpired! Can we drop it now?

So�.

I�m not older than dirt BUT when I was a kid Dirt was a novelty�.

By way of credentials� I have 3 sons, my youngest son is 23 and oldest 27.

The way I see it� there are at least 3 problems.

1: You started it when you were �joking� with a kid you did not know. The fact the other kids were laughing only made things worse. I bet you did not do a good job disarming the situation by saying that you were joking and leaving. The kid said FU and while not nice� not unexpected. In this situation someone should have been the adult and that should have been you.

2: The kid cursed while talking to your Mom. That was clearly wrong and your mom or dad should have a talk to your brother and even the kid. If that doesn�t go well, ban the kid� for the way he spoke to your mom� not you.

3: I am not in Montana or Wyoming.

T

Not sure it's smart to be naming people in their jobs for security reasons, let him revel it if he wants.

Kent