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#5114030 - 04/04/11 04:55 AM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: varmintsinc]
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I called Surgeon to ask some questions, one of which was how long I would have to wait for an action (wanted a 591 WSM action). I was told that they had the action I wanted in stock. I had also talked to Jim Borden and was considering a Rimrock action but he switched from 17-7 or similar stainless to 416 SS. I will not own an action made with 416 SS. His CM action were months out.

When I called Surgeon back the next day to order the action, they hummed and hawed and finally told me that they didn't have the action and couldn't give me a delivery date. That ruined it for them. Pierce was another matter altogether- they have their shop and office in order- answered every question and had reasonable shipping date. Never heard a bad thing about a Pierce either. I wouldn't buy a Predator because he uses 416SS for the actions. It's just a personal thing and it must work well for Jerry so I can't say anything bad about his actions.

I looked at a BAT at Bruno's- it was a bank vault!! It was pricey!! It was a 308 bolt face and I wanted magnum so I didn't buy it. The BAT has the smallest loading port and consequently, the most rigid of all the actions mentioned- if that means anything to you.

Several have complained about the washer-type Remington 700 recoil lugs. I have never heard of one bending-


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#5114532 - 04/04/11 01:55 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: dennisinaz]
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Didn't know Jim switched from 15-5 to 416 stainless, did he say why he switched?

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#5114615 - 04/04/11 02:28 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: rdobrow]
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Borden Alpine!

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#5114640 - 04/04/11 02:41 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Mntngoat]
butchlambert1 Offline
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Dennis,
The US Military thought enough of Stillers 416R receivers to buy a few million dollars worth.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010...-mk-13-actions/


Butch


Edited by butchlambert1 (04/04/11 02:51 PM)

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#5114800 - 04/04/11 03:27 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: butchlambert1]
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whats wrong with 416 stainless??
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#5114942 - 04/04/11 04:18 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: cumminscowboy]
Ackleyfan Offline
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Originally Posted By: cumminscowboy
whats wrong with 416 stainless??

I believe 416 has no nickel content, where as 15-5 has 15% chromium and 5% nickel which makes the 15-5 more corrosion resistant!


Edited by Ackleyfan (04/04/11 04:31 PM)

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#5115011 - 04/04/11 04:40 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Ackleyfan]
butchlambert1 Offline
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After it is Melonited it is corrosion resistant.
Butch

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#5115045 - 04/04/11 04:48 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: butchlambert1]
Ackleyfan Offline
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Originally Posted By: butchlambert1
After it is Melonited it is corrosion resistant.
Butch

Is stiller using Melonite?

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#5115465 - 04/04/11 07:04 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Ackleyfan]
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Registered: 10/31/03
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I'll not ever buy another Stiller.....I'd like to try a Borden someday. Surgeon's are sweet but I would not use one for a sub 8 lb build. Nesika, BAT, Stolle, are all superb but are all too tight for a hunting rifle, IMO. Lately I'm thinking it's pretty hard to beat a trued up Remington with the prices of custom actions going through the roof.

Specialty rigs not withstanding, I find my needs are easily met with the Rem Model 7, Rem 700, and Rem 700 Ti........A good smith certianly helps!



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#5115541 - 04/04/11 07:28 PM Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: xverminator]
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Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances? Borden uses .002, and I don't think it's too tight for a hunting rifle!

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