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#5115465 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Ackleyfan]
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I'll not ever buy another Stiller.....I'd like to try a Borden someday. Surgeon's are sweet but I would not use one for a sub 8 lb build. Nesika, BAT, Stolle, are all superb but are all too tight for a hunting rifle, IMO. Lately I'm thinking it's pretty hard to beat a trued up Remington with the prices of custom actions going through the roof.

Specialty rigs not withstanding, I find my needs are easily met with the Rem Model 7, Rem 700, and Rem 700 Ti........A good smith certianly helps!



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#5115541 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: xverminator]
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Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances? Borden uses .002, and I don't think it's too tight for a hunting rifle!

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#5115691 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Ackleyfan]
slg888 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ackleyfan
Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances?
Not sure the measurement, but mine was such a tight tolerence, cerekote could not be sprayed on action/bolt. KG was applied (still has slight friction). No play at all! Ackleyfan, obviosly your thinking of buying the best action made so have Bat turn down the bolt to your specs.


Edited by slg888 (04/04/11)

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#5115961 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: slg888]
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I don't like the diamond flutes on my Bat, but it is necessary if it gets dirty.I'm hoping the bolt-firing pin mods help my Bat. Stiller is Meloniting the bolt bodies.
Butch

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#5116120 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: slg888]
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Originally Posted By: slg888
Originally Posted By: Ackleyfan
Anyone know what BAT uses for their bolt clearances?
Not sure the measurement, but mine was such a tight tolerence, cerekote could not be sprayed on action/bolt. KG was applied (still has slight friction). No play at all! Ackleyfan, obviosly your thinking of buying the best action made so have Bat turn down the bolt to your specs.


I sure do like those Bat VR's smile

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#5116231 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: butchlambert1]
slg888 Offline
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Originally Posted By: butchlambert1
Stiller is Meloniting the bolt bodies.
Butch
Bat flutes are such a high smooth polish, the CM never get rust un-like my Predator did. Not familiar with Melonite & Stiller's new process, but I think it's 'sorta a high temp salt bath I've heard which helps prevent rust? Also heard it darkens SS/CM...correct Butch?

I shoulda took chemistry in school & I'd know all this chit. smile

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#5116311 - 04/04/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: slg888]
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Yes, Melonite is similar to the process performed on Glock slides. It is a hardening process that leaves the steel black when completed. It's not a coating. Here's a pic of my Stiller Predator 6mmbr repeater


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#5116652 - 04/05/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: darrenk75b]
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Originally Posted By: darrenk75b
Yes, Melonite is similar to the process performed on Glock slides. It is a hardening process that leaves the steel black when completed. It's not a coating. Here's a pic of my Stiller Predator 6mmbr repeater


Is it setup as a repeater,if so How does it feed, Are you using Bryants mag mod?
Nice rifle BTW

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#5116803 - 04/05/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Ackleyfan]
butchlambert1 Offline
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Actually it is a low[900deg] salt bath. I have a few barrels that have the treatment. Does 2 things, more corrosion resistance and much longer barrel life. It has not affected the way the barrels shoot, either good or bad. I'll bet on a bolt it is very slick.
Butch

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#5116828 - 04/05/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: darrenk75b]
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Originally Posted By: darrenk75b
Yes, Melonite is similar to the process performed on Glock slides. It is a hardening process that leaves the steel black when completed. It's not a coating. Here's a pic of my Stiller Predator 6mmbr repeater


Really nice rig Darren, great combo!!
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#5116857 - 04/05/11 Re: Actions: Surgeon vs Stiller [Re: Oregonmuley]
darrenk75b Offline
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Loc: Northern CA
Yes, it is a repeater with the Bryant mod. It feeds pretty well, especially since playing with the position of the spring under the follower. I have a freind who has a few 6brs on Remmy actions, and I love the positive ejection I get as well with the M16 extractor


Edited by darrenk75b (04/05/11)

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