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He hinted at most of them. Not my job to do his math.
Even by 1000 yards? A specific bullet?
I've always wanted a .270 high BC well made bullet. Not my problems the makers are slow to see the light.
For now the 6.5-06 is the one for me. I've sever loads and bullet combinations that will get me to 1000 easily... tough to say that with a 270 win.
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My panties aren't bunched at all  ...this is all in jest and for comparative purposes,but...you guys DO stack the deck and then compare... ....among common bullets, I see 130 6.5 AB's from Nosler at .488;270-140 AB's at .496...where's the difference? One source of bullets? You didn't include Bergers for the 270.....I am saying the game is changing;you guys are clinging to old notions...  If 6.5 is "good",and 7mm is "good" how come something in the middle cannot be just as "good"....it isn't 6.5 magic....it's bullets and barrels and you folks don't wanna see it.. 6.5 mavens always say the 270 does not have the bullets.....well, here they are!What now? And how come you can have a special barrel for a wildcat 6.5,and a 270 can't? What is THAT all about..... You guys would be a riot in front of a judge under oath....I'd have you all twisted in knots in no time  Numbers Cocadori......I want to see the numbers....show me...prove me wrong.The bullets are now here.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Get 'em Bob!.........I''m loving it........ My panties aren't bunched at all ...this is all in jest and for comparative purposes,but...you guys DO stack the deck and then compare... ....among common bullets, I see 130 6.5 AB's from Nosler at .488;270-140 AB's at .496...where's the difference? One source of bullets? You didn't include Bergers for the 270.....I am saying the game is changing;you guys are clinging to old notions... If 6.5 is "good",and 7mm is "good" how come something in the middle cannot be just as "good"....it isn't 6.5 magic....it's bullets and barrels and you folks don't wanna see it.. 6.5 mavens always say the 270 does not have the bullets.....well, here they are!What now? And how come you can have a special barrel for a wildcat 6.5,and a 270 can't? What is THAT all about..... You guys would be a riot in front of a judge under oath....I'd have you all twisted in knots in no time Numbers Cocadori......I want to see the numbers....show me...prove me wrong.The bullets are now here.
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Bob,
I vote for magic. It settles the argument with one word.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
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Oh no....you're killing me......... Casey
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Casey: Well the mantra on here has always been "bullets, not headstamps".....OK, well here are the bullets... One source? So what? I hunted for years all over the continent with Bitterroots....they were "one source"....Nosler Partitions were "one source"...  One of the first things I figured out about rifles is that you could only shoot one bullet at a time...  I love the irony and double standards.....wildcat 6.5 guys get to build 26" fast twist custom tubes.....but if a 270 guy does it,it's not "kosher"? Kinda reminds me of the 280AI guys loading to the gills, then telling 7 Rem Mag guys they have to dumb down their loads to keep it all even.....this is a funny place! I am not saying I am right,I'm sayng I want to see the differences ......if there is this universe of difference,show me.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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............Not my job to do his math.
You are correct, it isn't.....but if you have a basis for stating the 270 is not the equivilent of the 6.5/06,I'm saying you might just be wrong in light of newer bullets.....it is as simple as that.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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real quick before I head to work....
ok I gave you the benifit and used a 26" tube for both.
Berger bullets for both:
270 150 gr Match Grade VLD Hunting .277 150 0.531
6.5 140 gr Match Grade VLD Hunting .264 140 0.612
Used IMR 7828 just under max pressure for both.
270 at 2968 and the 6.5 at 3010 fps
270 with the 150 at 500 yards:
10 moa drop 2141 fps and 1527 of energy
1000 yards
27.5 moa drop 1477 fps and 727 of energy
So the 6.5 with the 140 at 500 yards:
8 moa drop 2277 fps and 1611 of energy
1000 yards
24.5 moa of drop 1663 fps and 859 of energy
I used QL and exbal as a reference
so Berger bullets for both. High speed powder for both and 26" tube for both...
6.5-06 wins.
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OK...where are the Matrix bullets? Crickets? I'm on the phone with a client LOL!
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Damn, I hate when paying the bills (or paying for new rifles) gets in the way of gack!
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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KDK: Don't you hate it when that happens?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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OK...where are the Matrix bullets? Crickets? I'm on the phone with a client LOL! That should pay for a new custom .264 rifle. I figure a lawyer on a Sat. probably gets double his usual 500/hr rate.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
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DT: Time and a half....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bc's would have been closer had he used the 6.5 130 gr VLD @ .552.
JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H
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Dang looked at the Matrix VLD Hunting bullets:
165 gr: static bc @ .7381
175 gr: static bc @ .7828
Ouch those would hurt those numbers alot
JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H
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Dang looked at the Matrix VLD Hunting bullets:
165 gr: static bc @ .7381
175 gr: static bc @ .7828
Ouch those would hurt those numbers alot And they are heavier....something to be said for that...even IF they leave a bit on the table to lighter 6.5's.....energy figures never killed an elk.. Always knew there was a reason I built a Mashburn.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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You said I forgot Bergers so I used em.
You said you'd need a magnum hull for the heavy matrix.
Why would one put all their eggs in one basket... ala hoping one bullet will work?
BC's woulda been closer... 6.5 still wins no?
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energy figures never killed an elk..
Energy doesn't kill but Impact velocity plays a significant role. 6.5-06 still winning...
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