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However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases. While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years? Maybe he means Pearl Harbor...but that was a territory, not a foreign country. the Paulies love their vision of a "little America"....humbled, timid, withdrawn from the world. that's why they have so much in common with the left on foreign policy. maybe they should move to a small, timid country. this ain't it. Far more important to the question of real national strength is to be a world economic super power. We killed the goose that laid the golden egg when we committed ourselves to policing the entire world with American empire. Ron Paul wants to revive that dead goose. And so Ron Paul, that driving force of a Representative that couldn't manage to introduce any meaningful legislation and work with his fellow congressmen to get it passed, but instead jumped on the 'me too' bandwagon sending earmarks back home and helping to put the country in the economic predicament that it's in, he is wanting to revisit the foreign policy that lead us to Pearl Harbor and resurrect isolationism. And his qualifications to lead this country consists of: staring at women's poozies and accomplishing nothing in Congress. Now that's one helluva resume. The only isolationist policy that makes any sense is for Ron Paul to go back to Texas and isolate himself from the rest of us.
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Hell, Ron Paul can't withdraw from the world...he can't even manage to withdraw from the presidential race. Oh, wait...that's right...he's makin' money from that.
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I'll accept your premise for now at face value Deluge that you can't withdraw from the world.
and I don't see any evidence that we or China have withdrawn from the world.
we have bases and wars going on halfway around the world, they're cutting deals now for raw resources in Africa and the southern Americas.
one strategy seems to be preparing one country to reap the world riches, which I guess is a good thing since we're borrowing money from them to finance our military and domestic operations.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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in the first place, Paul's scary count of a jillion foreign bases is essentially false, unless you count embassy guards or platoon size liaison forces as a base.
in the second, it is not the cost of the defense establishment that has caused the budget/debt disaster.....it's the entitlement state pouring the money out the door, while the nanny state stifles real economic growth.
And which do you think will get funded first? I can guarantee that transfer payments will continue into the foreseeable future, as that is where the politicians get their votes. And it IS the cost of the defense establishment when the cost of the wars are carried off budget in order to essentially "hide" the expense. Paul may have said "a jillion" foreign bases for effect, but the reality is that we have troops in 135 countries around the world, and we cannot afford it anymore, as much as the defense establishment and the Republican Party wish it were so. The decision to bring troops home will be made, the choice is whether we do it and have some level of control over how it goes, or whether it is done for us when the FRN$ is no longer accepted in world trade for settlement of debt. I realize that you think that this will never happen, but it is much closer to happening than you think, as the rest of the world is more than tired of taking our paper for real goods, and are looking for ways to by pass that system. The recent Obama decision to use the SWIFT banking system as a weapon against Iran, India, and China has started a move for an alternate way of settling trade accounts outside of the "dollar" system. It's only a matter of time, and not much time at that.
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All of this borrowing from China needs to stop. And we need to get our economic situation in order.
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All of this borrowing from China needs to stop. And we need to get our economic situation in order. Jeeze, ya think?
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It's not Paul's count of a 'jillion' bases that is scary...it's Ron Paul and his beliefs that are scary, hence the landslide for Ron Paul in the primaries.
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All of this borrowing from China needs to stop. And we need to get our economic situation in order. Jeeze, ya think? Yup.
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If RP is so great why doesn't he win any elections? Why didn't he win the nomination? If he can't then what is the point in nominating him? He certainly would not be able to win the presidency if he can't win on primary election.
The smart thing for RP to have done would be to select one of the conservatives that were running for the nomination and throw his support behind them. He would have a lot more influence on the nomination and maybe even the opportunity for a position in the new government. Treasury Secretary would give him a lot of influence and allow him to put some of his ideas into practice.
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He certainly would not be able to win the presidency if he can't win on primary election.
Would you mind outlining the reasoning process that causes you to arrive at that seemingly nonsensical conclusion? For example, there were candidates who ran against McCain in the 2008 primaries, and lost, yet likely would have done MUCH better than McCain, or even won, in the national election against Obama. If you acknowledge this to be true, and I cannot imagine how you wouldn't, your assertion above cannot possibly hold any water.
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He certainly would not be able to win the presidency if he can't win on primary election.
Would you mind outlining the reasoning process that causes you to arrive at that seemingly nonsensical conclusion? For example, there were candidates who ran against McCain in the 2008 primaries, and lost, yet likely would have done MUCH better than McCain, or even won, in the national election against Obama. If you acknowledge this to be true, and I cannot imagine how you wouldn't, your assertion above cannot possibly hold any water. Easy it's called VOTING! People vote in the primaries and the candidate with 1144 delegates, that candidate goes on to the convention,how hard is this to understand your candidate lost GROW UP!
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He certainly would not be able to win the presidency if he can't win on primary election.
Would you mind outlining the reasoning process that causes you to arrive at that seemingly nonsensical conclusion? For example, there were candidates who ran against McCain in the 2008 primaries, and lost, yet likely would have done MUCH better than McCain, or even won, in the national election against Obama. If you acknowledge this to be true, and I cannot imagine how you wouldn't, your assertion above cannot possibly hold any water. Easy it's called VOTING! People vote in the primaries and the candidate with 1144 delegates, that candidate goes on to the convention,how hard is this to understand your candidate lost GROW UP! That doesn't address the question. Let the boy answer for himself.
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Yes it does,and i'll post on any thread that i want to!
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However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases. While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years? Well we certainly had bases in the region when Iraq invaded Kuwait. I seem to recall our military being drawn into that conflict. Had we no bases in the region, do you suppose we'd have involved ourselves in it? Somehow you went from nations to regions. I suppose if Germany or South Korea is considered in the same region as Kuwait, you would be correct. However barring nonsense, which makes it much harder on you I realize, we certainly did not have any active military bases in the region that could be associated with Kuwait at the time of Sadaam's invasion. Muslim countries are not copacetic with allowing the Great Satan to place military bases on their sand. Wanna try that one again?
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