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They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT.
The folks in actual power aren't suicidal religious fanatics. They just like to give that impression. What they are is power hungry, because they enjoy their lives filled with the privileges of power. They want to continue living the good life, like everyone else in real power. True religious fanatics don't rise to positions of real power.
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You really don't understand anarchy. If you really think anarchists will just sit around and do nothing to defend themselves you are nuttier than I think you are. What anarchists won't do is involve ourselves in other peoples business. Anarchy is about minding one's own business and voluntary cooperation.
I never suggested that they'd just sit around and do nothing. I certainly suggest that they lack the ability to present a unified front and to build a deterrence. The mass organization is lacking. Without a mass organization we would be safer. It's our mass organization that is making us unsafe. It's very hard to conquer anarchists but it's not hard to conquer a mass organization. You ought to study the Germans of WWII and the resistance movements. I'm reading one right now on Paris and Americans in Paris. The Germans had their hands full and never really did conquer the resistance.
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 You think that would stop the US war machine from turning the entire Middle East into a giant glass parking lot after a nuke strike on US soil? They don't think that either. Sadly, I do. Consider Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. We knew the attacks of 9/11 came from those places. Yet, they are not glass parking lots... I agree. Nuclear retaliation is highly unlikely in today's world. The operative word being "retaliation".
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
Nah. Those who rise to positions of real state power are never true religious fanatics. Power hunger operates against true religious fanaticism. The true religious fanatics are used by such people, but the powerful themselves wish to remain alive so they can continue to enjoy the manifold privileges of power. It's essentially a law of human nature. Suggestions to the contrary are propaganda, plain and simple. DITTOS. History has shown that.
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You think that would stop the US war machine from turning the entire Middle East into a giant glass parking lot after a nuke strike on US soil? They don't think that either. Sadly, I do. Consider Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. We knew the attacks of 9/11 came from those places. Yet, they are not glass parking lots... Nor has anyone detonated a nuke on US soil, other than the US military, that is. The logic still remains. Two of our cities were attacked. Thousands killed. Our Defense is simple, Identify threats and eliminate them. To conclude that Iran posses no threat to the Western World is a complete dismissal of the facts. The Iranian people would agree! They are Persians, not Arabs and they want no part of this Caliphate being forced upon them. DinnerJacket is just power hungry, but completely under the control of the Ayatollah and Imam's....
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
We have a missile defense network that would make that approach difficult. More likely, and proven to already be a M.O., they would build the EMP here in the States from scratch. The delivery system? Well, that needs to be no more complex than a weather balloon.... Dang and here we wasted all that money on nuclear ballistic submarines. All we needed to launch a nuclear warhead was a weather balloon.
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Dang and here we wasted all that money on nuclear ballistic submarines. All we needed to launch a nuclear warhead was a weather balloon.
 Think how much money we could have saved.
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A single high-altiltude electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear detonation could do a lot of damage to the US. Launching it off the deck of an oil freighter along one of our coasts would make it hard to intercept and difficult to tell where it came from. The Iranians are just crazy enough to try a stunt like this knowing full well that MAD applies.
We have a missile defense network that would make that approach difficult. More likely, and proven to already be a M.O., they would build the EMP here in the States from scratch. The delivery system? Well, that needs to be no more complex than a weather balloon.... They don't need to go that large scale though. Bomb a subway. Bomb a school, a park, anything. Poison a small town water supply... Somehow the RP guys think that just because nobody is going to take us over, they are no threat. 9/11 was not an attempt to take us out, but it was a coordinated attack nonetheless and American's died as a result. This is somehow acceptable to RP'er's when compared to the military-industrial complex... Now you know why I say you believe in gun control.
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They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT.
The folks in actual power aren't fanatics. They just like to give that impression. What they are is power hungry, because they enjoy their lives filled with the privileges of power. They want to continue living the good life, like everyone else in real power. True religious fanatics don't rise to positions of real power. The fanatics in power aren't the ones that do the fighting. It's their will and the power they wield that counts. Did Hitler ever kill anyone with his own hand?
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Both the Soviet Union and Red China had them, far more than Iran will ever likely acquire, and yet somehow the US survived. You're correct. "Somehow" the US survived. Are you willing to trust the freakin' rag heads with nukes? And ... numbers don't matter. It only takes one. Two blunderbuss armed enemies in a room full of TNT could say the same thing, I suppose. You're ignoring one key difference in the mentality of jihadists. They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT. Nope, they aren't likely to. That's propaganda to make international bankers more rich and powerful.
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They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT.
The folks in actual power aren't fanatics. They just like to give that impression. What they are is power hungry, because they enjoy their lives filled with the privileges of power. They want to continue living the good life, like everyone else in real power. True religious fanatics don't rise to positions of real power. The fanatics in power aren't the ones that do the fighting. It's their will and the power they wield that counts. Did Hitler ever kill anyone with his own hand? Exactly. Now you're getting it.
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They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT.
The folks in actual power aren't fanatics. They just like to give that impression. What they are is power hungry, because they enjoy their lives filled with the privileges of power. They want to continue living the good life, like everyone else in real power. True religious fanatics don't rise to positions of real power. True.
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You're correct. "Somehow" the US survived.
Are you willing to trust the freakin' rag heads with nukes?
And ... numbers don't matter. It only takes one.
Two blunderbuss armed enemies in a room full of TNT could say the same thing, I suppose. You're ignoring one key difference in the mentality of jihadists. They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT. Nope, they aren't likely to. That's propaganda to make international bankers more rich and powerful. really? these people rioted all over Europe over a cartoon in a newspaper....or was all that a fabrication by international bankers?
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really? these people rioted all over Europe over a cartoon in a newspaper....or was all that a fabrication by international bankers?
But did their rulers launch a nuke against a nuke power over it? If no, then your rebuttal fails.
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really? these people rioted all over Europe over a cartoon in a newspaper....or was all that a fabrication by international bankers? The rank and file are the useful idiots of the ruling class and the ruling class are the useful idiots on the international bankers. Just like most in this Nation State.
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no it goes to the mindset of the people so wrapped up in a religion that they are willing to kill over a cartoon.....yeah, lets give these [bleep] nukes....
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They're more than willing to fire a blunderbuss in a room full of TNT.
The folks in actual power aren't fanatics. They just like to give that impression. What they are is power hungry, because they enjoy their lives filled with the privileges of power. They want to continue living the good life, like everyone else in real power. True religious fanatics don't rise to positions of real power. How can you say that after Jim Jones in South America, he wnt with his people???
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Yep. It's getting easier and easier to make the only viable choice in November.
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What IS incredibly silly is your naive question, it almost defies credulity. Iran can and in a very short time, completely disrupt the world's oil supply that even if it didn't affect us would cause a complete encomic collapse of the majority of our trading parteners, in turn causing our economy to collapse even further. ...which is obviously why we must piss them off as much as possible immediately if not sooner? What was that you said about "incredibly silly?"
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True religious fanatics don't rise to positions of real power. You sure about that? Osama Bin Laden was little bit fanatical. He wielded some power. A limited amount anyway. Not much ... but enough to order the deaths of 2752 people ... in just one of his plots against Western civilization. I wonder what he would have done if he could have got his hands on a nuke? Don't worry about it though TRH. He was one of a kind. Allah broke the mold when he made Bin Laden.
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