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BCB said that Treadwell used bear spray once successfully, but didn't like the results because the bear felt some discomfort. That same bear probably used it too spice up Treadwell's chewy little carcass.

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he is OH SORRY was a fuggin lunatic that got himself and another person killed. The funniest part is that he was protecting bears in a national park. At the end of the video they start talking about all of the poaching going on in the park and that after he was killed six bears were poached. Did they do autopsies on the bears to see if they were paoched or what. In my opinion he got what he was looking for..........blake

I actually feel kinda sorry for this guy, he was obviously a mentally ill person and of a type that I knew many of during my years supervising various silivicultural crews. These were largely American "draftdodgers" from western states, especially California and they were pretty much like Treadwell, pushy, loud and full of themselves.....and useless in the bush.

I would NOT put Charlie Russell in the same category as Treadwell, I have his book and find it very interesting as I did his father's writings. I met Andy a couple of times and worked in the areas he outfitted in, some 40 years ago. The Russells have done a lot for conservation and Charlie's interactions with Grizzlies are TOTALLY different than Treadwell's were.

There is more BS posted on "gun" forums about Grizzlies than ANY other topic, usually by people who have minimal wilderness/bear experience, if any. This is much the same sort of exaggeration from the "hunter's" side as Treadwell's bizarre behaviour was and is as irrelevant to REAL conservation of Grizzlies or their wilderness habitat. I think that hunters AND wilderness advocates NEED to reconcile in the interest of preserving both and I hope to see this happen.

Bob
I was on a murder trial a couple years ago and Falico, the coroner testified at great length for obvious reasons. The defense attorney, Rex Butler, a huge and hugely intimidating black man, go to him repeatedly during questioning. Seems he may have missde considerable bits of significant information in the autopsy.

There was an article in the newspaper not too long ago about how Hollywierd has gotten all damp in the panties over how great he was in the show. He didn't do as well under pressure...
art

I liked what the native guy said - words to the effect that doing what Treadwell did was (in his culture's view) the ultimitate in "disrespect" to such a large noble predator.
He added words like "A human habituated bear - is a dead bear." I liked his outlook.

Now all I have to do is burn the VHS tape to disk - and edit out about a 100 minutes of commercials. Man! there were a lot of them!

I'll keep this new DVD to pull out if ever we have any "granolas" visiting. I love showing people REAL life wildlife stuff like the "Predator" series, or "Trials of life" - and in doing so they learn a bit, and they see that in real life - unlike Disney's shows - sometimes... the squirrel gets eaten. And, thats the way it's supposed to be...

BCB, my oh my, what is a liberal, "gay-positive", "multicultural" and public union supporting guy like you doing disparaging your fellow "travelers on this spaceship" by calling them ...granolas...???? This is not what I would expect of an environmentally sensitive, organic and peace-promoting "back to the lander" like you!

BTW, I AM a ...granola..., love the stuff and have eaten it while working, fishing, hunting and mountaineering for decades. So, tell me, oh wise and learned pedagogue, whyfor the obvious bias against we ...granolas...?????

I watched the movie last night.The guy was OUT THERE no doubt.IMO the only persons that deserves a death like that is child molelesters.

Just finished watching the tape of last nights program and I have to concur with Kutenay on the "Mental" sickness Tredwell obviously had. As far as Charlie Russel, he is definately a little bit more mentally stable than Timothy, but not by much. Anyone who hand raises grizzlies in the wild is not all with it and is creating a very dangerous situation for others that the bears may encounter later. As for Andy, I have read "Memoirs of a Mountain Man" and "Grizzly Country". I liked his writing, but I don't much care for guys who hunt and kill bears their whole life and then when they get old, they frown on the younger generation hunting the same bears they hunted relentlessly. It would be like me falling trees my whole life and then trying to stop the next generation from logging.

If you hunt bears great, if you don't hunt bears, fine with me also, but playing mother nature and habituating bears or any other wild animal is just wrong. In that regard I hope Charlie Russel meets the same end as his cousin Timmy.

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That is not exactly what Andy was trying to do and I am not entirely certain that Charlie's interaction with Grizzlies habituated them in the common sense of that term; he frequently referred to the indigenous people of the Kamchatka who had evolved coping procedures with Grizzlies that were far different than "ours" and much more successful.

Andy realized in the '60s that his favourite stomping grounds in the Waterton Lakes area, the Kananaskis, the "Kishinin", Sage Creek and so on were under the destructive assault of the government/corporate/big union landrapers and "trophy hunters"; he decided to quit hunting and so did a number of very experienced, native born, old-timers, trappers and guides whom I knew at that time. I actually respect this decision and applaud his honesty in being willing to take flack about it....Andy Russell had a huge ego, was a born showman and loved to pose in front of crowds in a fringed, beaded buckskin jacket, cowboy hat and was full of bombastic phrases about some hunters being "bingo playing powder burners" as he said to me once in 1970 or thereabouts. BUT, he was a genuine bushman, a very sincere, decent and committed conservationist and a damned likeable man....in short, he was human and did his best.

Charlie's sneering references to ...hunters with their big guns...in "Grizzlyheart' annoyed me at first, but, Charlie simply has too much realtime Grizzly experience for me to allow his personal idiosyncrasies to blind me to his knowledge, bush skills and personal integrity. I may not agree with everything he advocates, or Wayne McCrory states or Dr. Steven Herrero says, but, I have enough actual wilderness experience and biological education to respect each one of these guys, very much. We do not, IMO, learn from those we easily agree with, but, from those whose words challenge our opinions.

I used to know Wayne and Steven and I would enjoy meeting Charlie and hope to do so in the near future. I would not wish a death by Grizzly attack on anyone as I have had colleagues severely mauled....well, maybe landrapers, "developers" and cultural traitors as well as child molestors.....

Crossfire... prob'ly we've both been drinking moldy coffee... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

But back to the topic in general, along with others here in all seriousness I wouldn't wish an end like that on anyone. Neither though, should it be forgotten how he died, especially by the clueless.

Birdwatcher

Art...

Yes, the coroner was probably coached on this; maybe it was his desire to "do well" that came through so strangely. I, too, have sat on a murder trial jury and have heard coroner's recitations of the facts...very Joe -Friday-like: just the facts with no dramatics.

Kutenay,

I LOVE granola! If it weren't for the stratospheric caloric levels - I'd eat the orange Harvest Crunch three times a day.

To me a "granola" - when applied to a guy - means he's a starry eyed idealist, who knows nothing about how nature really functions, he's left wing - in all aspects, he wears hemp clothes and probably has a pony tail - whether he's grey, balding or not. If it's a "she-granola" - much is the same except she wears long wool skirts, never shaves he legs or armpits and only wears tie-dyed tops and bandanas.

Eating granola, my good man - does not make you - "a granola."

You see, Kutenay - teaching teenage kids (and having three under that age living with me) - keeps me up to date on the latest vernacular. Perhaps you don't have that advantage.

I'll try and remember that when writing.

"He got what he deserved" Sam Egli, Helicopter Pilot Egli Air Haul King Samon , AK. I know Sam, we talked a little about this, he didn't like having to go out there and fly his remains and his girlfriend back. Somebody else aways ended up cleaning up this guys mess. A real wack job, to be sure.

It ain't right to wish a death by bear on anyone, I agree. But what really gets me is the danger these clowns leave behind. A bear of any sort is dangerous period, but to have one that is used to being in close proximety with human(s) and doesn't feel threatened........Well lets just say DANGEROUS doesn't begin to describe it. That pilot that walked up towards the camp to look for Timmy is darn lucky he didn't meet the same fate. So yah, if someone has to die at the paws of a bear, then I sincerely hope it is the guy/gal that is creating these situations and not someone who respects bears and minds their own business around them.

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I watched it last night.Other than WAY too many commercials,I enjoyed it.Here are my thoughts.

#1)Tim had some MAJOR mental problems.This was definetly made worse by his years of alchohol and drug abuse.If he lived in "the real world",he would have to be heavily medicated to hold a steady paying job,which,BTW,he never did.He tried to make it as an actor and failed,got on drugs,then hit the bush.

#2)Even though I do not agree with ANY of his views whatsoever,he seemed to have a good heart (despite his many mental and personal problems,which we all have),and DID NOT deserve the death he recieved.The only people who deserve that cruel of death (and yes,it is cruel),would be brutal dictators and child rapists.

#3)He knew VERY clearly the danger he was in.When he filmed "Ollie",the 28 year old male that ended up killing him and his girlfriend a few days later,he stated "Could this be the bear that ends up killing me?"

#4)He got THE best grizzly footage I've ever seen.

I also noticed he seemed to have what Rush Limbaugh calls "The voice of the American Castrati,"other than he lacked the typical elite style of ending every sentence in a question mark as most of those types do.

WB.

Eek, during the entire special, couldn't you see the bears were way too close and he was way to comfortable around them. I watched in the fetal position thinking this one's gonna get him, this one's gonna get him, the one he touches, the one he swims with, the skinny one fishing and walking up behind him, the one he walks up to scratching his back, the two fighting behind him. The half a fox or the bear cub's severed leg laying around and all the skinny bears gave me a clue. Yikes. A while ago John Krackauer write a book called Into the Wild about a college student who went to live in the wilds of Alaska and whose remains were found in a bus towed out into the woods by loggers to bunk in. He went out to do the Thoreau thing and had a bad bad end.

I watched just a few minutes of that show. Couldn't stand any more.
Bears aren't called large, dangerous animals for nothing. Good intentions don't change the fact that fella was making nice with PREDATORS!! Predators large enough to kill and eat people....
When I read in forums like this one that a .44 Magnum is the minimum handgun you should consider for Grizzly Bear protection, I'm thinkin', "Don't want to get near one of those animals. The bear's gonna hurt me or the gun's gonna hurt me. Not good options here."

I was reminded of that book many times while watching the movie.That is one of my favorite books BTW,and I ought to dig it out and read it again.

FWIW,the man in Into The Wild was NOTHING like Treadwell.He was intelligent and not some animal rights nut.He had a rifle with him (a Remington Nylon 66 22 LR) and killed his own food.He was actualy doing just fine and would have made it out,but the river was too high to cross,and he had to go back (he also didn't know about the river crossing 200 yards upstream).His undoing was eating some posionious potato-like grubs,that made him extremely ill and unable to hunt or do anything to feed himself,and he starved to death.That could have just as easily happened to you or me.

I will though say that he was stupid in that he only took 20 pounds of rice with him,which he ran through pretty fast,but his whole point was to "live off the land",which he did,and quite succussfully at that.Like I said,his whole trip went pretty well until he tried to leave,and then it went to hell in a hand basket.

A great book,which I recomend to everyone here.

WB.

I a jr. in collage going for a wildlife biology degree, this guy make people in my profession seem like idiots, This man is a moron and deserved what he got, I sorry if i offended anyone but this is my opinion, (that I toned down for family viewing)

"I a jr. in collage going for a wildlife biology degree, "



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