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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Saw one the size of a toddler's hand crawling around on my ceiling last week in my bedroom. Freaked me out. Went for the fly swat, but he was positioned just above a tall piece of furniture, so it was hard to get at him. Swatted at him, but he dodged it and dashed into the central air/heat vent. Haven't seen him since, but didn't sleep soundly for a few nights.


I would have had a good stomp just last night while on an evening stroll.

A 65 pound spider charged me from the bushes, fur up, lots more signs of real aggression than displayed by the Spider in Lord of the Rings. I turned toward it and faced it down, causing it to back up. When I then proceeded to walk away, it waited till I was about ten yards distant (with my back to him), then silently charged from behind, most likely thinking that I wouldn't be able to see or respond to the charge from that direction. I turned, while simultaneously drawing a very nice set of custom made cocobolo nunchucks from my right front pocket, causing the spider to instantly rethink his decision. I stomped towards him while shouting, and he backed off further, letting me proceed on my way. Of course, I had a sidearm too, but didn't think it necessary. Held to the same standard as a cop, though, I'd have been perfectly justified. Naturally, not being a cop, I'd also have likely been arrested.


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Hello Rattler, I was under the impression that the Recluse spider carried a bacterium in it's saliva/venom that causes the necrosis?


Not according to the medical literature. Like I said, it's mostly likely something else, probably MRSA.

The spider bite/necrotizing fasciitis myth was dispelled years ago.

http://www.amednews.com/article/20020805/health/308059999/4/



Rattler specialises in crawly nasty bitey things, and is fairly well versed in the subject.


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Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Saw one the size of a toddler's hand crawling around on my ceiling last week in my bedroom. Freaked me out. Went for the fly swat, but he was positioned just above a tall piece of furniture, so it was hard to get at him. Swatted at him, but he dodged it and dashed into the central air/heat vent. Haven't seen him since, but didn't sleep soundly for a few nights.


I would have had a good stomp just last night while on an evening stroll.

A 65 pound spider charged me from the bushes, fur up, lots more signs of real aggression than displayed by the Spider in Lord of the Rings. I turned toward it and faced it down, causing it to back up. When I then proceeded to walk away, it waited till I was about ten yards distant (with my back to him), then silently charged from behind, most likely thinking that I wouldn't be able to see or respond to the charge from that direction. I turned, while simultaneously drawing a very nice set of custom made cocobolo nunchucks from my right front pocket, causing the spider to instantly rethink his decision. I stomped towards him while shouting, and he backed off further, letting me proceed on my way. Of course, I had a sidearm too, but didn't think it necessary. Held to the same standard as a cop, though, I'd have been perfectly justified. Naturally, not being a cop, I'd also have likely been arrested.

grin Was it a colored spider? Did he have a crazed look on his face? wink

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Originally Posted by dingo

Originally Posted by JSTUART
Hello Rattler, I was under the impression that the Recluse spider carried a bacterium in it's saliva/venom that causes the necrosis?


Not according to the medical literature. Like I said, it's mostly likely something else, probably MRSA.

The spider bite/necrotizing fasciitis myth was dispelled years ago.

http://www.amednews.com/article/20020805/health/308059999/4/



for something dispelled years ago there is sure a hell of alot of money being spent in the study of recluse venom from all over the world coupled with the development of an antivenin...pharmaceutical companies aint known for throwing money away on antivenin which is notoriously a bad investment which is why we currently have no coral snake antivenin in the US....


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Originally Posted by slg888
Anything crawling across our floor doesn't survive with a Lab around. He loves eating bugs.

My wife "Jackson get it!" ..... It's gone.


My GSP does the same thing. Spiders, wasps, bees, moths, etc, Stomps them with his front paws & eats them & somehow manages not to get stung.

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My cocker spaniel will get them too.

She's not the brightest dog, though.

Remember getting food at petsmart once, with some 680 year old lady behind me in line.

"what kind of dog you have?"

"cocker spaniel"

"oh, those are such beautiful dogs. I've had a few. Dumb as a rock though. No offense, but I've seen house plants with more intelligence. I got a German Shepherd now. He's mean but I like him that way...."

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I have no compassion...kill'em all!

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That's what my wifes looked like when she was bitten 20+ years ago by a recluse. Still has a bad scar on her leg...

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Originally Posted by dingo

Originally Posted by JSTUART
Hello Rattler, I was under the impression that the Recluse spider carried a bacterium in it's saliva/venom that causes the necrosis?


Not according to the medical literature. Like I said, it's mostly likely something else, probably MRSA.

The spider bite/necrotizing fasciitis myth was dispelled years ago.

http://www.amednews.com/article/20020805/health/308059999/4/



Gordon "Pegleg" Blohm was one of the founders of NRA BPCR in the Desert Southwest, and is long gone to his reward.

I wish he was still around. Were the two of you able to discuss the Brown Recluse bites to which he LOST his leg, I think you might be inclined to re-think your position.

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Originally Posted by dingo

Originally Posted by JSTUART
Hello Rattler, I was under the impression that the Recluse spider carried a bacterium in it's saliva/venom that causes the necrosis?


Not according to the medical literature. Like I said, it's mostly likely something else, probably MRSA.

The spider bite/necrotizing fasciitis myth was dispelled years ago.

http://www.amednews.com/article/20020805/health/308059999/4/



Gordon "Pegleg" Blohm was one of the founders of NRA BPCR in the Desert Southwest, and is long gone to his reward.

I wish he was still around. Were the two of you able to discuss the Brown Recluse bites to which he LOST his leg, I think you might be inclined to re-think your position.

GTC


in the 11 years ive been with my wife ive run into 3 doctors that claimed there is no such thing as migraines and that my wife was just a drug addict looking for a fix.....just cause you can find someone with letters behind there name that says something doesnt mean what they say is true or what is accepted by a hell of alot of people with letters behind their names....you dont have to be a genius to get a PhD or an MD, infact some with them are [bleep] retards....


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That article is the most phony. ridiculous POS I've ever seen.

....and goddam irresponsible drivel.

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Originally Posted by eh76
spider bite expert now too huh?

That's what I figure, too. They just rot the living flesh away, and keep doing so for years after the bite.

A veterinarian discovered a way to prevent that, though. He discovered that if you inject the bite site with cortisone steroid all around it, multiple injections, that it will heal it right up with little to no damage, so long as you do it within the first few hours after the bite.

actually i was bit by a brown recluse many years ago, and that is what the doctor did for me, along with a dose of antibiotics.


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Interesting - except maybe for Rattler, the folks here who seem to have the most accurate and specific info on Brown Recluse bites/effects/treatments - are those who have actually been hit and treated. How could that be - this is the internet?


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Originally Posted by CCCC
Interesting - except maybe for Rattler, the folks here who seem to have the most accurate and specific info on Brown Recluse bites/effects/treatments - are those who have actually been hit and treated. How could that be - this is the internet?


Paul,
it was Dr. Duncan by the way, sure you knew him.


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I had a grandson hit a few years ago on the hand by a spider, specific type i don't remember, but pretty gross mite. It was treatable however, probably see him in prescott this weekend and he can refresh my memory on what they did for him.


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Well, i can tell you what happened to me. The assumption of a recluse is all it was, but this is what did happen. I remember being in bed in prescott, and feeling a bite. didn't think much of it at the time. Drove to phx on business, and late afternoon checked into a Motel. I really wasn't feeling good, leg was acting up, cold sweats, felt delerious if that is the right word. I thought i was going to die, so i hobbled out to the car to get back to yavapai country where if it was to be thats where i wanted to go out. Drove back to prescott with my rt leg propped up on the seat, on cruise control. Can't really state aedequately how out of it i was. Next morning i had a big circle around the bite, as I remember it now years later, it was blue, yellow, all kinds of interesting colors. But it sure as heck wasn't no flea bite. Took quite a while to go away. Remember in the grandsons case it did rot some of the flesh around the bite. I don't know for certainly if recluse's are in arizona, but i have been led to believe they are.


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I had a good looken brown spider on me last night while I was preppen brass.

Kinda tickled...

Gonna miss it

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I looked it up, I thought so, but they call it a desert recluse in arizona, i also look up on this link the symtoms, pretty much matched what i said earlier, almost word for word:
http://www.desertusa.com/desert-animals/brown_spider.html


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Originally Posted by CCCC
Interesting - except maybe for Rattler, the folks here who seem to have the most accurate and specific info on Brown Recluse bites/effects/treatments - are those who have actually been hit and treated. How could that be - this is the internet?


ive never been hit, i dont live within their range though a handful have shown up in lumber and such from areas within their range....even had a Brazilian wandering spider show up in a box of bananas at the grocery store.....

the wife says im a walking encyclopedia of useless information and one area that takes up lots of room is creepy crawly critters(hence the handle) especially snakes and those things that are venomous....read a hell of alot of scientific papers......


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as to the mrsa, i can tell you about that too, shocked the snot out of me when the doc said i had it last fall. He gave me some real horsepills, and I went elkhunting, which was probably not the smartest thing to do. Didn't think i could affect the elk i shot.
I asked him at the time where i picked it up at, and he said it could have been anywhere. I don't laugh anymore at wiping off the handles on those shopping carts. And to carry it forward, people have no idea of the things coming into the country from down south with the arrival of all those illegals, it's true and it's serious.


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Ron, that would be Dave Duncan? Quite a good doc, for lots of things. You were determined to get to your own doc, and did. Best stuff.

Being 250 miles from home when the BR effects locked in, I had to grab the nearest Urgent Care place available. Fortunately, the lady doc on duty knew exactly what it was and what to do, even though it was in a very difficult location. She was great - made sure the effects and damage were held to a minimum - but, still, the discomfort is not easy to describe and not fun to recall.


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